Vladimir_Nesov comments on Holy Books (Or Rationalist Sequences) Don’t Implement Themselves - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 10 May 2011 09:45:06AM *  7 points [-]

But rationalism doesn’t have a well-defined set of norms/desirable skills to develop. As a result, we Less Wrongians unsurprisingly also lack a well-developed practical system for implementation.

Implementation of what? What's the purpose of these hypothetical norms? There's no point in propagating arbitrary norms. You are describing it backwards.

Comment author: Swimmer963 10 May 2011 01:37:42PM 2 points [-]

But rationalism doesn’t have a well-defined set of norms/desirable skills to develop

I'm not sure that "norms" are the same as "desirable skills to develop". The LessWrong community definitely has a list of desirable skills: improve understanding of Bayes, for example.Maybe not well-defined though.

Comment author: AdeleneDawner 10 May 2011 11:17:23AM 2 points [-]

Implementation of what?

Honestly, I think I would have balked if calcsam had offered specific answers to this question, rather than the general principle of deriving them from the "theology". He is a relative outsider, and I think this is something we should be hashing out for ourselves.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 10 May 2011 01:20:46PM *  4 points [-]

I'm not sure it makes sense to build an idea around a premise that there is a central problem of propagating norms before we have some examples of norms which should be propagated.

Comment author: Eneasz 10 May 2011 03:21:56PM 2 points [-]

What about things like "overcome your biases", "raise the sanity waterline", and "win the stars"?

Comment author: Dorikka 10 May 2011 03:55:54PM 0 points [-]

Or, rather, norms which achieve these goals. These don't seem low-level enough to be norms in themselves.

Comment author: Davorak 10 May 2011 05:19:47PM 0 points [-]

I don't know the LDS example "Your purpose on earth is to become like God" is pretty big. Big goals are good if they are back up with supportive low-level goals.

Comment author: wedrifid 10 May 2011 05:10:06PM -1 points [-]

These don't seem low-level enough to be norms in themselves.

You can't get all that much higher than 'win the stars'! :P

Comment author: Cayenne 10 May 2011 11:24:08AM *  0 points [-]

It seems that the proper answer to this is to develop our norms in a rational manner, and reject arbitrary norms that have no purpose.
Edit - please disregard this post