ciphergoth comments on People who want to save the world - Less Wrong

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Comment author: ciphergoth 14 May 2011 11:45:42AM 7 points [-]

Comparing a disliked belief to a religious one has all the universal applicability of repeating what they say in a high - pitched tone of voice.

Comment author: Giles 15 May 2011 12:58:51AM 3 points [-]

I think ciphergoth is right in that argument-by-reference-class should be avoided if possible.

I think that timtyler is onto something with the superstimulus thing - there are mundane, reductionist reasons why I might have ended up with the motivations that I do. I had pictured it more as "the result of a peculiar mix of social conditioning and rationalist memes". In evolutionary terms it definitely feels like a "mistake", which is why I wouldn't expect all that many people to be motivated the same way I am (maybe 0.1% of people, and I'm not even sure what to do with those people if they're hostile to rationalist ideas).

But even if I knew the exact cause of my motivations, I wouldn't want to change them.

Comment author: timtyler 15 May 2011 06:47:43AM *  0 points [-]

In evolutionary terms it definitely feels like a "mistake", which is why I wouldn't expect all that many people to be motivated the same way I am

In terms of DNA-genes, yes. However, the SAVE THE WORLD meme gets quite a good deal out of it. Budding world-savers often prosletyse - resulting in more brains hijacked by the meme. It seems to be a case of meme-evoution outstripping the defenses of the natural memetic immune system.

Comment author: timtyler 14 May 2011 12:24:47PM *  0 points [-]

I think religions have by far the most extensive set of prior claims relating to trying to save large numbers of people - or the world. Comparisons seem inevitable.

In the past, most with such beliefs have been delusional - suffering from hubris - and have subsequently been proclaimed false messiahs. This raises the issue of how best to avoid that fate.