multifoliaterose comments on Helpless Individuals - Less Wrong

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Comment author: multifoliaterose 26 November 2010 04:21:25AM 0 points [-]

(And their music wouldn't necessarily be intelligible to you either, due to the musical analogue of inferential distance.)

Any recommendations for those familiar with Baroque/Classical/Romantic music and interested in bridging the musical analogue of inferential distance here?

Comment author: komponisto 26 November 2010 07:01:14AM *  1 point [-]

Proceed chronologically, and gradually. Start with the latest/most advanced period or school that you can currently comprehend, and increase to the next one above. After you've "mastered" the next one, iterate. (Of course, there isn't exactly a total ordering, but it's close enough for this to work.)

For example, if you can "handle" late Mahler, you should be able to handle early Schoenberg (which actually came before late Mahler, as it happens). In which case you should try your hand at middle Schoenberg.

After you've mastered late Schoenberg (and Webern and Berg, etc), you're ready for postwar music. When you get to the point where the most advanced pieces of the 1950s and 60s, say, are comprehensible to the point where you can sing them to yourself from memory without having heard them in a while, then you will probably find the advanced music of our own time to be reasonably accessible.

Comment author: multifoliaterose 29 November 2010 06:10:46PM 0 points [-]

Thanks; I'll try listening to Schoenberg's works chronologically.

Comment author: komponisto 29 November 2010 08:50:27PM 0 points [-]

For that project, you may find the Arnold Schoenberg Center's website very useful. (It offers free online streaming of essentially all his works, though the recordings used aren't always the best; I'd recommend supplementing with other recordings.)

Comment author: multifoliaterose 29 November 2010 11:09:04PM 0 points [-]

Thanks for the recommendation. This looks like it might be useful.