Benquo comments on Foma: Beliefs that Cause Themselves to be True - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Benquo 20 June 2011 05:28:42AM *  18 points [-]

I'm in the process of trying to unpack the process of making friends, which is kind of mysterious to me. My old implicit model was:

I like someone -> We (sometimes) become friends

Of course my feelings don't directly cause anything but my actions. The simple insight that I was attributing a consequence to something that could only cause it indirectly, gave me the opportunity to notice some of the mediating causes, and fine-tune them separately:

I like someone -> I behave pleasantly toward them -> Increase P(Friendship)

I like someone -> I invite them to things or accept their invitations -> Increase P(Friendship)

I like someone -> I ask them questions about things that interest them -> Increase P(Friendship)

Now if I want to be better friends with someone, instead of just uselessly liking them more, I can do things like strike up more conversations, or invite them to hang out. There's lots of stuff I'm missing, but finding mediating causes is a powerful tool.

Comment author: [deleted] 20 June 2011 05:26:43PM 0 points [-]

Well, merely liking someone does increase P(Friendship), in that not liking someone presumably decreases it. Usually you don't become friends with people you don't like.

Comment author: Alexei 20 June 2011 06:32:25PM 1 point [-]

That's the whole point though. Merely liking someone doesn't do anything, but cause the behavior/actions that actually have an effect (pleasantries, invitations, questions). If I didn't like the person, but did everything else the same, we would be just as good of friends. I can like someone to death, but unless I show it in some way, it's useless for forming a friendship.

Comment author: TrE 20 June 2011 06:27:12PM *  0 points [-]

But only in the form that attitudes affect your actions, and these affect your friendship, as mentioned above.

Comment author: CuSithBell 21 June 2011 03:50:00PM 1 point [-]

It's like a wossname... markov blanket.