ciphergoth comments on Rationality: Common Interest of Many Causes - Less Wrong

39 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 29 March 2009 10:49AM

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Comment author: ciphergoth 29 March 2009 09:21:16PM 1 point [-]

This question is totally meaningless for materialists and consequentialists. The entire business of attaching blame and deserts must be abandoned in favour of questions either to do with predictions about the world or to do with what will give the best total effect.

I'll do a post on this when I've composed it, but the start of it is the case of Phineas Gage.

Comment author: Nick_Tarleton 30 March 2009 05:29:28AM 3 points [-]

I think this is too extreme. Maybe blame and desert are best dispensed with, but it seems likely that we (our volitions) terminally disvalue interference with deliberate, 'responsible' choices, even if they're wrong, but not interference with compulsions. Even if that's not the case, it also seems likely that something like our idea of responsible vs. compulsive choice is a natural joint, predicting an action's evidential value about stable, reflectively endorsed preferences, which is heuristically useful in multiple ways.

Comment author: ciphergoth 30 March 2009 05:39:54AM 0 points [-]

I don't think that needs to be a terminal value. People's deliberate choices provide information about what will actually make them happy; with compulsions, we have evidence that those things won't really make them happy.

I agree that it's useful to have words to distinguish what we want long-term when we think about it, and what we want short-term when tempted, and I've just done a post on that subject. However, I don't see how that helps rescue the idea of blame and deserving.

Comment author: Nick_Tarleton 30 March 2009 06:41:08AM 1 point [-]

However, I don't see how that helps rescue the idea of blame and deserving.

In case there was any confusion, I didn't mean to say it does.