Armok_GoB comments on The True Rejection Challenge - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Armok_GoB 27 June 2011 11:31:58AM 1 point [-]

Donating to chairty*: My mum says I'll need the money myself later, and I heuristicaly don't trust myself to make financial decisions due to mental health issues. On one hand, I don't trust her to know the value of efficient charity thou, and I don't really have any good grasp of what I'd need money for, on the other hand I don't really have any good grasp of what I'd need money for and she seems to and come with all these things about survival and education and debts and stuff when I ask.

*Given that I donate to charity I'll donate all of it to SIAI, but that's not obviusly relevant here.

Comment author: saturn 28 June 2011 08:31:14PM 6 points [-]

I don't think you should donate if you don't understand your own financial situation.

Comment author: Armok_GoB 29 June 2011 09:25:27AM 0 points [-]

That's how I reason as well... but there's a lot at stake.

Comment author: BillyOblivion 29 June 2011 10:19:57AM 2 points [-]

You keep coming back to your mental health issues.

Before you donate to charity you should try to make sure you don't wind up in a position to need charity (and yes, this is not something one has full control over, but an F4 shattering your house to toothpicks is a very different thing from getting thrown out of your apartment because you were incapacitated for a couple months and got reduced/no pay). Save your money or spend it on specialists/treatments likely to reduce your problems.

This will wind up cascading into other areas of your life.

Comment author: Armok_GoB 29 June 2011 10:44:16AM 0 points [-]

That's roughly what mum says to, based on less rationality but a lot more info. So I guess I'll just continue trusting her then.

Comment author: BillyOblivion 29 June 2011 11:11:42AM 1 point [-]

Has your mom ever given you a good reason to distrust her motives?

Comment author: Armok_GoB 29 June 2011 11:21:32AM *  1 point [-]

No. But she have given me reason to distrust her rationality and understanding when it comes to efficient charity.

Comment author: MatthewBaker 27 June 2011 06:59:46PM *  -1 points [-]

My advice is give money to charity up to your tax deduction level as a starting point, then use the rest of your money according to your personal utility function ;)

Comment author: Armok_GoB 27 June 2011 10:42:25PM 0 points [-]

Someone from LW saying that dosn't add any new information.

Comment author: MatthewBaker 05 July 2011 04:13:25PM 1 point [-]

I'm sorry, i didn't fully understand your living situation at first :( I hope you work out your mental health issues, the only advice i can offer is to remember the days your mental state is optimal and crystallize that feeling in your memory possibly linking it with a hand movement like tapping your leg in a specific place. Every day you have a good day add to the memory and the Neuro-Lingustic Programming should allow you to fall into that state of calmness and focus when you need it by repeating the hand movement. This takes at least a week of effort before you notice the effects, but it helped me out alot at a tough time in my life.

Comment author: Armok_GoB 05 July 2011 04:22:56PM 0 points [-]

Neurotypicals can just remember entire mental states like that and just restore from backup?

Comment author: MatthewBaker 05 July 2011 04:30:43PM 0 points [-]

Its more like a feeling that washes over your mind. The most memorable moment i had was sitting in Physics class unable to focus on what my teacher was saying because of distracting high school drama that i knew i shouldn't focus on because we were reviewing for the AP exam. I tapped my leg with two fingers which was my one for "calm" and the mental urge to check my phone for text messages faded and i was able switched my focus back to the lecture. I wouldn't say its entire mental states as much as partial emotional states.

Comment author: Armok_GoB 05 July 2011 06:43:50PM 0 points [-]

that honestly sounds like gibberish to me.

Comment author: AdeleneDawner 05 July 2011 07:47:39PM 3 points [-]

Translation attempt:

Neurotypicals can just remember entire mental states like that and just restore from backup?

Not entire mental states, but emotional states, and the states aren't consciously remembered, but triggered like reflex behaviors. The suggested exercise is basically classical conditioning, except that one doesn't have to figure out what the unconditioned stimulus is in order to associate the response (the emotional state) with the conditioned stimulus (tapping oneself with a finger).

Comment author: Armok_GoB 06 July 2011 11:25:44AM 0 points [-]

Ah. Not sure what could be used as a baseline or how to detect it thou. And extinction would be a huge problem.

Comment author: MatthewBaker 06 July 2011 08:23:50PM *  0 points [-]

Ah. Not sure what could be used as a baseline or how to detect it thou. And extinction would be a huge problem.

Sorry, i thought the anecdote would be more explanatory then the old Pascal's one that i grew up with :(

Extinction is best prevented by reinforcing the stimuli randomly, its like in a casino, a random reward is much more enticing then a pattern reinforcement. Basically, you just pick a random day that went well and run your mental macro/hand motion while relishing in the memory/emotion of the day. As for baseline, if you don't notice it after about 5-7 times worth of training your brain on different memory's over the course of about a week then it probably wont work for you. Just remember to use variable interval reinforcement to prevent extinction and pick a hand motion that feels simple, but unobtrusive to do in public.