Davorak comments on The True Rejection Challenge - Less Wrong

43 Post author: Alicorn 27 June 2011 07:18AM

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Comment author: Davorak 29 June 2011 06:49:23AM *  2 points [-]

edit: The whole post I responded to was:

  1. and 3. there are essentially true.

The negative consequence of following through with 1 or 3 can be so high for select people that they are not worth doing.

Following through with 1 may cause weight loss but may also cause diminished intelligence, diminished energy, malnutrition, again with select people.

Following through on 3 may cause cancer or increase the risk of cancer to high levels, again with select people.

Also, it's a good idea to get over harmful and unnecessary aversions regardless.

This statement is true, however the cost may be too high with known methods. Hence this exercise to produce new methods to experiment with.

Comment author: ShardPhoenix 29 June 2011 06:54:59AM -2 points [-]

I didn't suggest a starvation diet, and sunscreen exists. Besides, my general point is that sometimes you need to try harder instead of giving up due to things that aren't even harmful, and also realize that irrational psychological flaws are things that should and in many cases can be overcome (I know, I've done it), not taken as unshakeable premises.

Comment author: Davorak 29 June 2011 07:19:17AM 1 point [-]

I understood/understand that was/is your point. I was referring to "select people", meaning people who are more sensitive to reduced food intake or photo sensitive. People not near the mean of the bell curve.

realize that irrational psychological flaws are things that should and in many cases can be overcome (I know, I've done it), not taken as unshakeable premises.

I know I have done it too. However I can not put "psychological flaws" in the right context to understand exactly what you mean by it, since it is not always possible to just try harder to change some physical structures that cause said psychological flaws.

It is awesome when trying harder fixes the problem. The problem is not always not trying hard enough or lack of motivation, it can because an organ is slowly dying in your body, or you produce proteins in a different as of yet unmeasurable way due to a quirk of genetics, or one of many other hard to diagnoses and solve problems.

If you want to engage Alicorn on her level or lack thereof of effort your should be asking for a detailed description of what she has tried and for how long, but I have not observed you doing that.