TobyBartels comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 8 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: TobyBartels 11 September 2011 08:13:25PM 2 points [-]

It is possible to read the existential quantifier as "for some" instead of "there exists … such that". I often do this myself, just for euphony (and to match the dual quantifier, read "for all", or better "for each"). But Graham Priest (pdf) has argued that the "there exists" reading is a case of ontological sleight of hand that should be resisted; in fact, he rejects the term "existential quantifier" for "particular quantifier" (and a web search for this will turn up more on the subject).

Comment author: [deleted] 12 September 2011 01:34:58AM *  0 points [-]

I can't think of a situation where I would accept one but not the other of "there exists x such that ---" and "for some x ---". Do you have an example?

Godel has a very interesting paper about syntax for intuitionism, where he introduces a new operator read "there exists constructively."

Comment author: TobyBartels 12 September 2011 06:35:31PM *  0 points [-]

Priest (top of page 3 in the PDF above, numbered page 199) suggests an example:

I thought of something I would like to buy you for Christmas, but I couldn't get it because it doesn't exist.

In symbols:

x, (I thought of x) & (I would like to buy you x for Christmas) & [(I couldn't get x) ∵ (x doesn't exist)].

Turning this back into English:

For some x, I thought of x, I would like to buy you x for Christmas, and I couldn't get x because x doesn't exist.

But not this:

There exists x such that I thought of x, I would like to buy you x for Christmas, and I couldn't get x because x doesn't exist.

One could rescue this by claiming that x exists in the speaker's past thoughts but not in reality, or something like that. But then an uncountable ordinal may also exist in the thoughts of mathematicians without existing in reality.