KenChen comments on Don't call yourself a rationalist. - Less Wrong

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Comment author: KenChen 14 October 2011 08:56:20PM 3 points [-]

Personally, I don't like this because it's awkward. What do you call the community?

"The aspiring rationalist community"?

Plus, people are liable to drop the "aspiring" part anyway, because it's a pain to say.

Comment author: Vaniver 18 October 2011 07:05:27PM 3 points [-]

Just shorten it to something catchy like asprats.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 18 October 2011 07:15:13PM 4 points [-]

Snake/rat chimeras? Rats with Asperger's? People who are as rational as prats?

Comment author: Vaniver 18 October 2011 11:41:40PM 1 point [-]

The last interpretation can get a little spicier: ass-prats! (But yes, I intended for it to be a terrible idea.)

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 15 October 2011 03:35:35AM 4 points [-]

Bayes-users and the Bayesian Conspiracy.

Comment author: atorm 15 October 2011 03:41:35PM 7 points [-]

Because "I'm a member of the Bayesian Conspiracy" isn't going to cause ANY problems with other people, right?

Comment author: [deleted] 15 October 2011 08:08:22PM *  16 points [-]

Don't forget to mention that lots are also members of the cult of the frozen decapitated head and that nearly all of us hope to understand the universe better so we can make something like God but better.

Comment author: juliawise 15 October 2011 10:03:45PM 3 points [-]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure my housemates would still flee if I told them I was inviting the Bayesian Conspiracy to dinner.

Comment author: Fergus_Mackinnon 17 October 2011 10:00:50AM 1 point [-]

I suppose that you could joke about the Weird Ideas and signal you didn't take yourself too seriously to them, which might put them at ease if it convinces them that you aren't implying you're better than they are, and so their status isn't being threatened... but that might kind of defeat the purpose by not doing anything to reduce the bias against non-conventional ideas, I'm not very good at modeling people.

Comment author: Raemon 15 October 2011 03:46:56AM 6 points [-]

I have yet to apply Bayes in any kind of formal manner that I didn't prior to finding Less Wrong. My mental framework has still shifted significantly, and the NYC community has benefited me even though there has not been any central focus on Bayes.

Much as I love the phrase "Bayesian Conspiracy", I don't think it's actually descriptive of what I've been participating in.

Comment author: khafra 17 October 2011 12:47:06PM 0 points [-]

I though "Bayesian Conspiracy" was a wonderful name for the LW contingent that did Burning Man, but I'm not sure that it works that well in other contexts.

Comment author: buybuydandavis 15 October 2011 10:48:24AM 5 points [-]

Bayes-users and the Bayesian Conspiracy.

Since I found this place from reading Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality, I've always thought of this place as the Bayesian Conspiracy.

And I'm dying for another chapter!

Comment author: shminux 16 October 2011 07:44:28PM 0 points [-]

And I'm dying for another chapter!

Hopefully not from old age

Comment author: buybuydandavis 17 October 2011 03:54:48AM 3 points [-]

I'm already slowly dying from that, but I'm working on it.

Comment author: Alejandro1 15 October 2011 05:13:04AM 4 points [-]

I think of the core ideal of LW as "getting better at thinking, understanding the world, and acting effectively on it". "Rationalism" and "Rationality" are good summaries of this idea, though they do have some PR problems as the post says. "Bayes" is just too restrictive: not only it leaves out a lot of things as Raemon says, it also ties our identity too much to a particular epistemology, however powerful. If it turned out that a different epistemology is better than Bayesianism, this should not destroy LW.

Comment author: shminux 20 October 2011 08:01:51PM 3 points [-]

BUGs for short (Bayesian Users Group)

Comment author: DanielLC 14 October 2011 11:14:34PM 2 points [-]

You'd call the community whatever that community is called. For example, you'd call Less Wrong "Less Wrong". There's no one community of rationalists.

Comment author: lessdazed 14 October 2011 11:30:09PM 18 points [-]

I like the naming convention where you wait until your community is important enough for it to develop enemies who have a sinister epithet specifically for it, and then you get that label.

Comment author: Nisan 15 October 2011 04:42:43AM 8 points [-]

We need to attract ire in a unique way that distinguishes us from atheists, transhumanists, materialists, libertarians, singularitarians, pick-up artists, social progressives, polyamorous people, Asperger's-spectrum people, and drug-positive people. What irritating thing can we do that no one else does?

We tell people to read Sequences a lot. Maybe we will be "sequencedorks" :-|

Comment author: fubarobfusco 15 October 2011 05:38:23AM 9 points [-]

Well, if the Singularity is "the Rapture for nerds" then some aspects of Less Wrong could well be "the Prosperity Gospel for nerds".

Comment author: katydee 16 October 2011 10:51:13PM 0 points [-]

That would be a good term if you were trying to insult it, since the "Prosperity Gospel" is an ultra-heresy...

Comment author: JoshuaZ 16 October 2011 11:28:46PM *  1 point [-]

One person's heresy is another person's strongly held beliefs. (Although some heresies are more high-status than others. Prosperity Gospel is a pretty low-status one as heresies go.)

Comment author: katydee 17 October 2011 05:55:54AM 0 points [-]

Most heresies don't overtly contravene canon text, though (see for instance Matthew 19:21-30, the tale of Lazarus, and so on).

Comment author: lessdazed 15 October 2011 11:00:34AM 3 points [-]

"Anticipators". I want to cheat and get someone to call us that.

Comment author: AnthonyC 15 October 2011 06:06:40PM 2 points [-]

We are among (aka "with" aka "con-") those those who have read the Sequences, so maybe... Consequentialists?

Oops, already taken.

Comment author: katydee 16 October 2011 10:46:22PM 1 point [-]

"Sequencers"