Yvain comments on Don't call yourself a rationalist. - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Yvain 15 October 2011 11:09:32AM 16 points [-]

"Critical thinking" is a useful phrase sometimes. It's a real term, and people usually have good associations with it. Saying "we need to teach people better critical thinking skills" usually elicits nods; "we need to teach people to be more rational" is more likely to get them grabbing their guns and heading to the hills.

Comment author: ciphergoth 16 October 2011 10:18:42AM 3 points [-]

This rings true, but how odd? Why is "critical thinking" good but "rationality" bad?

Comment author: [deleted] 16 October 2011 11:03:34PM *  5 points [-]

Perhaps groups that identify with rationality generally settle on one set of beliefs, and then go about rehearsing their arguments, double counting their evidence, and building up unjustified positive affect, while groups that identify with critical thinking try to admit what they don't know and focus their efforts on finding out?

Like the difference between between "The Brethren of Totally Pure Chastity" and "Inexpert supporters of the very difficult struggle to be effective and not evil".

Comment author: ciphergoth 17 October 2011 10:34:48AM 1 point [-]

What real examples are you thinking of?

Comment author: JoshuaZ 17 October 2011 02:20:03PM 0 points [-]

I'm not sure specifically which examples Hamlet is thinking of, but Objectivists would be an obvious example of a group that tried to be rational and through the problems Hamlet listed as well a handful of other problems like evaporative cooling settled on a single set of beliefs across a wide-variety of different issues and haven't updated much in the last fifty years.

Comment author: prase 17 October 2011 09:43:09AM 0 points [-]

Words often earn their connotations at random.

Comment author: ciphergoth 17 October 2011 10:52:51AM 1 point [-]

Even if randomness plays a big role, it feels as if this shouldn't exhaust what we can learn from the story behind the different connotations of these phrases.