lukeprog comments on Great Explanations - Less Wrong

23 Post author: lukeprog 31 October 2011 11:58PM

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Comment author: lukeprog 03 November 2011 07:25:34AM 2 points [-]

My original point was only about physics, not about evolution, and I have already written that there is an important difference between the accessibility of these two for lay readers. So by dragging evolution into the discussion again, you are obscuring the issue.

Huh? I didn't bring up evolution again. I mentioned Richard Dawkins, but not evolution, and the 'great explanation' from Dawkins that I list above is in physics (rainbows), not biology.

BTW, are the physics ones the only ones you object to? Are you still mostly on board with the project of tracking down good, engaging explanations of, say, biological and psychological concepts and theories?

math-free popular books about modern physics... cannot give the reader any such ability [to have more accurate anticipations in ways that help them achieve their goals]

You've offered enough exemptions now for your claim (speed of light, classical physics, and probably others) that I now understand that we agree more than initially seemed to be the case. Still, I think there are examples of math-free popular explanations of modern physics that can give readers like me the ability to have more accurate anticipations in ways that help us achieve our goals.

I gave a few examples but you didn't accept them.

I'm tempted to drop the discussion for now — unless you strongly object?

Comment author: Vladimir_M 05 November 2011 07:38:30AM *  8 points [-]

Huh? I didn't bring up evolution again. I mentioned Richard Dawkins, but not evolution, and the 'great explanation' from Dawkins that I list above is in physics (rainbows), not biology.

My mistake -- I didn't realize you were alluding to Dawkins talking about physics.

BTW, are the physics ones the only ones you object to? Are you still mostly on board with the project of tracking down good, engaging explanations of, say, biological and psychological concepts and theories?

I think I have already explained clearly enough that it depends on the concrete topic in question. Some technical and scientific topics can be explained in a non-mathematical way that increases the understanding of smart lay readers. Others however can't, and attempts to do so will end up as sheer confusion and fake explanations. Modern physics just happens to be in the latter category.

You've offered enough exemptions now for your claim (speed of light, classical physics, and probably others) that I now understand that we agree more than initially seemed to be the case.

Then you understand wrongly. I haven't budged one millimeter about the worthlessness of pop-scientific "explanations" of modern physics of the sort you cited initially. There is a fundamental difference between, on one hand, direct improvements on folk-physical intuition and simple facts memorized in isolation, and on the other hand, real understanding of complex and non-intuitive theories of modern physics.

I'm tempted to drop the discussion for now — unless you strongly object?

I have no problem with that. I think what I've said so far should be clear enough.