JoshuaZ comments on Open thread, November 2011 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: JoshuaZ 04 November 2011 01:44:47PM 2 points [-]

Most of your assessment seems reasonable to me. However,

The only reason to think the dinosaur's extinction event wasn't nuclear war is a lack of fossilized technological artifacts

seems wrong. I haven't crunched the numbers, but I suspect that a species killing nuclear war would leave enough traces in the isotopic ratios around the planet that we'd be able to distinguish it from an asteroid impact. (The Oklo reactor mentioned earlier was discovered to a large extent due to tiny differences in expected verse observed isotope ratios.)

Comment author: gwern 06 November 2011 05:02:03AM 3 points [-]

This was actually covered in a book I read (I think it was The World Without Us). Summary: even our reactors leave clear traces that will be detectable about as long as the mass extinction event we're causing. So a civilization and species-killing thermonuclear war would definitely be detectable by us.

Comment author: khafra 04 November 2011 02:47:33PM 3 points [-]

Fair enough. I should have said "if the dinosaurs had been intelligent, and their extinction was due to nuclear winter following a large thermonuclear exchange, the history of our own species could still look substantially similar." Although evolution might have proceeded a bit differently with higher background radiation.

Comment author: JoshuaZ 06 November 2011 07:38:33PM 2 points [-]

Phrased that way your point seems very strong. Indeed, dinosaurs died out only 65 million years ago, which isn't that long ago, especially in the context of this sort of filtration event.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 14 May 2013 10:28:11PM 0 points [-]

Fallout is a technological artifact.

Comment author: JoshuaZ 14 May 2013 10:37:56PM 0 points [-]

Yes, I'm not sure what your point is. Can you expand?

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 14 May 2013 10:57:00PM 1 point [-]

The only reason to think the dinosaur's extinction event wasn't nuclear war is a lack of fossilized technological artifacts

What you then provided as a counterexample of other reasons to reject this theory fits within the scope of things that are missing.

Comment author: JoshuaZ 14 May 2013 11:30:07PM 0 points [-]

Ah ok. Yes, you're right, fallout should be covered for purposes of the original comment then.