Multiheaded comments on Welcome to Less Wrong! (2012) - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Multiheaded 06 January 2012 09:23:39PM *  0 points [-]

Sorry, but I don't like your reasoning.

  • Emotionally volatile people shouldn't be automatically assumed to fail upon most such temptations, after all (when they fail in a big way, that's when we hear about it the most), and might not even be a net negative for society in other spheres (although yeah, they probably are... still, it's awfully cold just to unapologetically thin their numbers with eugenics. I know that a lot of things LWians (incl. me) would do or intend to do are awfully cold, but hell, this one concerns me directly!).
  • The "volatility" of one's behavior is a sum of the individual's psychological make-up - which might or might not be largely hereditary - and the weakness or strength of one's tendency for self-control - which is definitely largely cultural/environmental.

Look at the Far Eastern and Scandinavian societies. Wouldn't an emotionally unstable person being raised in one of them be trained to control their emotions to a much greater degree than e.g. in Southern Europe?

Further on the "hereditability" part; I'm really emotionally unstable (as you might have witnessed), but my parents are really stable and cool-headed most of the time; however, my aunt from my mother's side is a whole lot like me. I attribute most of my mental weirdness to birth trauma (residual encephalopathy, I don't know if it's pre- or post-natal), but I don't know whether part of it might be due to some recessive gene that manifested in my aunt and me, but not at all in my mother.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 06 January 2012 09:49:04PM 1 point [-]

I agree that we shouldn't assume that emotionally volatile people fail upon most such temptations.
I agree that my reasoning here is cold (indeed, I said as much myself, though I used the differently-loaded word "dispassionate").
I agree that if impulse control is generally nonhereditable (and, again, I don't just mean genetically), the argument I use above doesn't apply.
I agree that different cultures train their members to "control their emotions" to different degrees. (Or, rather, I don't think that's true in general, but we've specifically been talking about the likelihood of expressing transient rage in the form of violence, and I agree that cultures differ in terms of how acceptable that is.)

I understand that, independent of any of the above, you don't like my reasoning. It doesn't make me especially happy either, come to that.

I still, incidentally, don't believe that the stigma against infanticide is primarily intended to protect infants from transient murderous impulses in their parents.

Comment author: Multiheaded 06 January 2012 09:59:29PM *  0 points [-]

I still, incidentally, don't believe that the stigma against infanticide is primarily intended to protect infants from transient murderous impulses in their parents.

Neither do I; the reasons for its development do need a lot of looking into. I just listed a function that it can likely accomplish with some success once it's already firmly entrenched.

..."control their emotions" to different degrees. (Or, rather, I don't think that's true in general, but we've specifically been talking about the likelihood of expressing transient rage in the form of violence, and I agree that cultures differ in terms of how acceptable that is.)

Yeah. I used "control" in the meaning of "steer", not "rule over".