PhilGoetz comments on The bias shield - Less Wrong

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Comment author: PhilGoetz 31 December 2011 09:31:31PM *  9 points [-]

Most sociological mathematical models are formed by thinking about the relationships involved qualitatively, then building models that are simple, have those qualitative aspects, and can be worked with. Then you can gather data, compare the models to the data, and revise the models.

Take the Cobb-Douglas model of a production function. It was pulled out of someone's mind (not their ass) in just such a manner. Perhaps by luck, it never needed to be revised, because it turned out to model real data very well.

The use of a "bias function" is the really questionable thing here. Is what is really going on that people add imputed believability to someone who is biased, or can you get the same results just by saying that people agree with people who agree with them? You can't get the same results easily in this case, because moderates don't make the same kind impassioned defense of other moderates. You could suppose opinions are not evenly-distributed and conclude that moderates would do that, if there were more of them. Or you could explain the data as signalling group affiliation rather than having to do with belief.

Whatever explanation you prefer, putting it in math (when done well) distinguishes these different parts of the argument and makes these critical points more apparent.

(Some models are built by looking at a lot of data and noticing patterns, like Zipf's law. Some, more often found in physics, are built from the ground up, like E=mc^2. Those are better, if we can make them.)

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 31 December 2011 10:04:06PM 1 point [-]

Most sociological mathematical models are formed by thinking about the relationships involved qualitatively, then building models that are simple, have those qualitative aspects, and can be worked with.

Most sociological mathematical models are also total crap.

Then you can gather data, compare the models to the data, and revise the models.

Repeat until your model has enough free parameters to be unfalsifiable.

Comment author: [deleted] 31 December 2011 11:13:44PM 3 points [-]

Most sociological mathematical models are also total crap.

Downvoted.

I am disappointed in the LW community every time I see a comment consisting primarily of: "<X> is crap."

It doesn't add anything useful to the conversation, or propose any solutions or ideas. It is just plain rude. Please stop.

We can do better than that.

Comment author: wedrifid 01 January 2012 12:31:13AM *  9 points [-]

It doesn't add anything useful to the conversation,

Yes it does. It is (often) a negation of the previous assertion - in this case just the implied suggestion that sociological mathematical models are useful. To the extent that said assertion can be said to be a contribution the rejection of it can too.