Nick_Roy comments on Rationality quotes January 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: fortyeridania 02 January 2012 11:31:49AM 3 points [-]

Why do you say that?

Comment author: Nick_Roy 03 January 2012 02:50:14AM 2 points [-]

"Proving useful in your life" (but not necessarily "proving beneficial") is the core of instrumental rationality, but what's useful is not necessarily what's true, so it's important to refrain from using that metric in epistemic rationality.

Example: cognitive behavioral therapy is often useful "to solve problems concerning dysfunctional emotions", but not useful for pursuing truth. There's also mindfulness-based cognitive therapy for an example more relevant to Buddhism.

Comment author: fortyeridania 04 January 2012 12:48:26PM 6 points [-]

I suppose that is a tension between epistemic and instrumental rationality.

Put in terms of a microeconomic trade-off: The marginal value of having correct beliefs diminishes beyond a certain threshold. Eventually, the marginal value of increasing one's epistemic accuracy dips below the marginal value that comes from retaining one's mistaken belief. At that point, an instrumentally rational agent may stop increasing accuracy.

On the other hand, it may be a problem of local-versus-global optima: The marginal value of accuracy may creep up again. Or maybe those who see it as a problem can fix it with the right augmentation.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 04 January 2012 01:50:00PM 5 points [-]

I suppose that is a tension between epistemic and instrumental rationality.

There is no tension. Epistemic rationality is merely instrumental, while instrumental rationality is not. They are different kinds of things. Means to an end don't compete with what the end is.

Comment author: thomblake 04 January 2012 02:59:58PM 1 point [-]

Epistemic rationality is merely instrumental, while instrumental rationality is not.

Upvoted for this

Comment author: wedrifid 04 January 2012 12:33:58AM 2 points [-]

Example: cognitive behavioral therapy is often useful "to solve problems concerning dysfunctional emotions", but not useful for pursuing truth.

It is useful for pursuing truth to the extent that it can correct actually false beliefs when they happen to tend in one direction.

Comment author: fortyeridania 04 January 2012 12:32:09PM 2 points [-]

This sometimes comes at the expense of other truths, just as pursuing evidence for your preferred conclusion turns up real evidence but a less accurate map.