TimS comments on "Politics is the mind-killer" is the mind-killer - Less Wrong

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Comment author: TimS 27 January 2012 10:09:16PM *  1 point [-]

In brief, I think my interpretation is right because it is consistent with the intended lesson, which is "Don't talk about Politics on LessWrong." In other words, I understood the point of the story to be that treating arguments as soldiers interferes with believing true things.

I agree that "bad ideas should be publicly challenged" is only true if what I'm trying to do is believe true theories and not believe false theories. If I'm trying to change society (i.e. do politics), I shouldn't antagonize my allies. The risk is that I will go from disingenuously defending my allies' wrong claims to sincerely believing my allies' wrong claims, even in the face of the evidence. That's being mindkilled. In short, engaging in the coalition-building necessary to do politics is claimed to cause belief in empirically false things. I.e. "Politics is the Mindkiller."

Comment author: roystgnr 30 January 2012 06:37:41PM 1 point [-]

My interpretation could be summarized in similar fashion as "really, really, don't talk about politics on LessWrong" - whether this is "consistent" or not depends on your definition of that word.

I agree with your interpretation of the point of the story... and with pretty much everything else you wrote in this comment, which I guess leaves me with little else to say.

Although, that's an example of another issue with political forums, isn't it? In an academic setting, if a speaker elicits informed agreement from the audience about their subject, that means we've all got more shared foundational material with which to build the discussion of a closely related subsequent topic. Difficult questions without obvious unanimous answers do get reached eventually, but only after enough simpler related problems have been solved to make the hard questions tractable.

Politics instead turns into debates, where discussions shut down once agreement occurs, then derail onto the less tractable topics where disagreement is most heated. Where would we be if Newton had decided "Yeah, Kepler's laws seem accurate; let me just write "me too" and then we're on to weather prediction!"