TimS comments on Rationality Quotes March 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: TimS 02 March 2012 07:01:15PM 0 points [-]

The "non-expressible in the new concept-space" thing that you think never actually happens.

Comment author: roystgnr 06 March 2012 04:27:47PM 1 point [-]

Isn't that exactly what happened? The phrase "set of all sets that do not contain themselves" isn't really expressible in Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory, since that has a more limited selection of ways to construct new sets and "the set of everything that satisfies property X" is not one of them.

Comment author: Bugmaster 02 March 2012 09:19:27PM 0 points [-]

The "non-expressible in the new concept-space" thing that you think never actually happens.

I don't think it's terribly useful to frame the discussion in terms of concepts that never actually happen :-)

Comment author: David_Gerard 03 March 2012 10:38:35AM *  0 points [-]

This looks very like trying to define away something that sure felt like a paradigm shift to the people in the field. Remember that "paradigm" is a belief held by people, not a property inherent in the universe.

Comment author: TimS 03 March 2012 06:11:48PM 1 point [-]

Perhaps this is a limitation of my understanding of Kuhn, in that I'm misusing his terminology. I am unaware of mathematics abandoning fundamental objects as inherently misguided the way physics abandoned epicycles or impetus. I expect physics will have similar abandonments in the future, but I expect mathematics never will. The difference is a property of the difference between mathematics and empirical facts. This comment makes the argument I'm trying to assert in slightly different form.