Nick_Tarleton comments on It's okay to be (at least a little) irrational - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Nick_Tarleton 15 April 2009 06:49:09PM 0 points [-]

Note, for example, the high rate of startup failure; if anybody really believed the odds applied to them, nobody would ever start one.

AFAIK, "really believe" is used to mean both "emotionally accept" and "have as a deliberative anticipation-controller". I take it you mean the first, but given the ambiguity, we should probably not use the term. Just a suggestion.

Heisenberg

Off-topic: See The So-Called Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.

Comment author: pjeby 15 April 2009 07:35:53PM 1 point [-]

AFAIK, "really believe" is used to mean both "emotionally accept" and "have as a deliberative anticipation-controller". I take it you mean the first, but given the ambiguity, we should probably not use the term. Just a suggestion.

Here's the thing: intellectual beliefs aren't always anticipation controllers. Sometimes, they're just abstract information marked as "correct" -- applause lights or teacher's passwords.

So, by "really believe", I mean, what your automatic machinery will use to make the predictions that will actually drive your actions.

This also connects with "emotionally accept" -- but isn't precisely the same thing. You can emotionally accept something without actually expecting it to happen... and it's this autonomous "expectation" machinery that I'm referring to. i.e., the same sort of thing that makes your brain "expect" that running away from the haunted house is a good idea.

These sorts of expectations and predictions are always running, driving your current behavior. However, conscious anticipation (by definition) is something you have to do on purpose, and therefore has negligible impact on your real-time behaviors.

Comment author: ciphergoth 15 April 2009 10:27:55PM 0 points [-]

Not sure I get the distinction you're drawing. Supposing you say you know you won't win, but then you buy a lottery ticket anyway. Is that a failure of emotional acceptance of the number representing your odds, or a failure of anticipation control?

Comment author: Nick_Tarleton 15 April 2009 10:53:09PM *  0 points [-]

If you were akratically compelled to buy the ticket, failure of emotional acceptance. Failure of anticipation control at a deliberative level is the kind of thing that produces statements about invisible dragons. It's hard to think of a plausible way that could happen in this situation – maybe Escher-brained statements like "it won't win, but it still might"?