DanArmak comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 11 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: DanArmak 21 March 2012 04:38:13AM 2 points [-]

I very much doubt Harry is already a perfect Occlumens. The last word we have on that is that he may grow to be one "in time". It would an unforeshadowed and plot-convenient superpower if he was suddenly revealed as such.

Note: even a non-perfect Occlumens can apparently lie under Veritaserum, just not lie to a good enough Legilemens (even without Veritaserum).

Comment author: hairyfigment 25 March 2012 01:50:26AM 0 points [-]

even a non-perfect Occlumens can apparently lie under Veritaserum

Where did y'all get this? I had the vague impression that Veritaserum worked better to detect deliberate lying. Legilimency can detect other Legilimency better, because the potion doesn't do that at all. (And neither of them can detect Obliviation or a perfect Memory Charm, per Chapter 79.)

Comment author: pedanterrific 25 March 2012 02:01:48AM 2 points [-]

Waaay back in Chapter 47, we get:

Look, Draco, I'll take one drop of Veritaserum if you can get it, I'm just warning you that I'm an Occlumens. Not a perfect Occlumens, but Mr. Bester said I was putting up a complete block, and I could probably beat Veritaserum."

Comment author: hairyfigment 25 March 2012 02:23:22AM 0 points [-]

Thanks, I'd remembered that wrong.