wedrifid comments on SotW: Check Consequentialism - Less Wrong

38 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 29 March 2012 01:35AM

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Comment author: wedrifid 30 March 2012 06:48:12PM -1 points [-]

And, according to my analysis of daenerys' game this constitutes an all too common failure mode for the aforementioned reasons. My estimation of the capabilities of lesswrong participants to handle this sort of question was grossly misscalibrated.

Comment author: Bugmaster 30 March 2012 06:56:59PM 1 point [-]

It sounds like you're saying, "no one is smart enough to comprehend my brilliant point, despite the fact that it's 100% clear and obvious since I am such a great communicator". I believe there may be alternative explanations for people disagreeing with you, however...

Comment author: wedrifid 30 March 2012 07:22:20PM -1 points [-]

It sounds like you're saying, "no one is smart enough to comprehend my brilliant point, despite the fact that it's 100% clear and obvious since I am such a great communicator".

If I said something that means that then I am indeed as bad at communicating as you insinuate. I actually maintain that I haven't made much of a point at all and thought that my initial claim verged on patronizing for stating the obvious.

I also note that the problem isn't that "no one comprehends"... from what I have seen most people here do. It is a matter of whether there are enough exceptions that the conversation can still get derailed into failure modes. Surely you at least agree that the conversation in this thread has been derailed at places? For example, this immediate context appears to include fairly unadorned indicators of disrespect. Nobody likes to hear those - even when they are plain and sincere expressions of the level of disagreement.

Comment author: Bugmaster 30 March 2012 08:35:38PM 1 point [-]

and thought that my initial claim verged on patronizing for stating the obvious.

What's obvious to one person may sound ridiculous to another. Often does, in fact.

Surely you at least agree that the conversation in this thread has been derailed at places?

What, do you mean the original thread, or the pirate vs. ninja thread ? Heh. Anyway, the answer is "yes" to both.

For example, this immediate context appears to include fairly unadorned indicators of disrespect.

Patronizing posts tend to invoke that kind of an atmosphere. In any case, you keep saying that disagreeing with your conclusions is a "failure mode". You may well be right, but so far, I'm not convinced that this is the case. I am prepared to be convinced, however.