Nornagest comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 12 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Nornagest 27 March 2012 08:07:36PM *  6 points [-]

The trouble with Stephenson's books is that he tends to make a lot of stuff up and insert it into the exposition in such a way that it's difficult to tell it from the trustworthy material. Cryptonomicon and The Baroque Cycle aren't so bad about this, but someone who'd, say, learned most of their neoplatonic philosophy from Anathem might come out the other side with some very strange ideas indeed -- even if they'd thought, and bothered, to look up the real-world cognates of all his academic smeerps.

Charles Stross is another author with similar habits -- although his style is more referential, which makes it essential to keep a laptop with a Wikipedia tab open next to the chair you're reading in, but ends up drawing a somewhat clearer line between science and fiction.

Comment author: gwern 27 March 2012 08:16:12PM 5 points [-]

And in the good direction, you have someone like Peter Watts, who sometimes includes appendixes explaining exactly what science he's based his speculation on.

Comment author: bogdanb 27 March 2012 10:04:37PM *  1 point [-]

Or Greg Egan, who publishes on-line appendixes to his books explaining, say, how Riemannian Thermodynamics would work. With equations and graphics. (Labeled axes!) And video simulations. The appendixes themselves have appendixes!

Comment author: gwern 27 March 2012 10:32:35PM 0 points [-]

Indeed. On the other hand, The Clockwork Rocket was a rubbish novel qua novel, so there's such a thing as taking it too far.

Comment author: bogdanb 28 March 2012 04:26:57PM *  1 point [-]

Well, he did the same thing with earlier novels, The Clockwork Rocket is just the one that came to mind since it's the latest.

But I found his other novels (at least those where such extra material would make sense) similar in style. I’d call it “unusual physics porn”—no literary masterpieces, but fun to read if you’re into that kind of stuff.

Do you dislike his other work, too, or is there something about this one in particular you disliked?

Comment author: gwern 28 March 2012 04:42:49PM 1 point [-]

No, just that one. I liked "Crystal Nights" or Permutation City a lot.

Comment author: pedanterrific 27 March 2012 08:20:02PM 2 points [-]

Can I just say I experienced mind-boggling surprise (and a corresponding increase in my respect for you) when I realized that was not a TVTropes link?

Comment author: Alsadius 28 March 2012 01:57:16AM 1 point [-]

Why would that be worth an increase in respect?

Comment author: pedanterrific 28 March 2012 02:42:26AM 0 points [-]

Come to think of it, I suppose lesswrong is one of the few places where it might be reasonable to assume that someone links directly to a Trope Namer because they're more familiar with it than the trope.

But as a general rule, because I'm against (and susceptible to) tab explosions.