Normal_Anomaly comments on Rationality Quotes April 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 14 April 2012 05:07:57PM *  -1 points [-]

That's true. I was taking "racist opinions" to mean "incorrect race-related beliefs that favor one group over another". If people who couldn't do math were just as good at programming as people who could, and you still screened applicants for math skills, that would be a jerk move. If your race- or gender- or whatever-group-related beliefs are true, and you act on them rationally (e.g. not discriminating with a hard filter when there's only a small difference), then you aren't being any kind of racist by my definition.

ETA: did anyone downvote for a reason other than LocustBeamGun's?

Comment author: [deleted] 14 April 2012 08:31:33PM *  4 points [-]

(ETA: I didn't downvote, but) I wouldn't call gender differences in math "small" - the genders have similar average skills but their variances are VERY different. As in, Emmy Noether versus ~everyone else.

And if there is a great difference between groups it would be more rational to apply strong filters (except for example people who are bad at math, conveniently, aren't likely to become programmers). Perhaps the downvoter(s) thought you only presented the anti-discrimination side of the issue.

Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 14 April 2012 11:15:38PM *  0 points [-]

I think in most cases the average is more important in deciding how much to discriminate. But I deleted the relevant phrase because I'm not sure about that specific case and my argument holds about the same amount of water without it as with it.

EDIT:

Perhaps the downvoter(s) thought you only presented the anti-discrimination side of the issue.

Huh, I was intending to say that it's acceptable to discriminate on real existing differences, to the extent that those differences exist. Not sure how to fix my comment to make that less ambiguous, so just saying it straight out here.

Comment author: wedrifid 14 April 2012 07:16:05PM 5 points [-]

If people who couldn't do math were just as good at programming as people who could, and you still screened applicants for math skills, that would be a jerk move.

Not to mention a bad business decision.

Comment author: Normal_Anomaly 14 April 2012 11:17:51PM 0 points [-]

That too, thanks for pointing it out.