army1987 comments on Thoughts on the Singularity Institute (SI) - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 14 May 2012 06:55:37PM -1 points [-]

I could never bring myself to accept the kind of salary cut you guys are taking in order to work there

You know that the Bay Area is freakin' expensive, right?

Comment author: ciphergoth 15 May 2012 06:15:11AM *  5 points [-]

Re-reading, the whole thing is pretty unclear!

As katydee and thomblake say, I mean that working for SingInst would mean a bigger reduction in my salary than I could currently bring myself to accept. If I really valued the lives of strangers as a utilitarian, the benefits to them of taking a salary cut would be so huge that it would totally outweigh the costs to me. But it looks like I only really place direct value on the short-term interests of myself and those close to me, and everything else is purchase of moral satisfaction. Happily, purchase of moral satisfaction can still save the world if it is done efficiently.

Since the labour pool contains only human beings, with no true altruistic utility maximizers, SingInst should hire and pay accordingly; the market shows that people will accept a lower salary for a job that directly does good, but not a vastly lower salary. It would increase SI-utility if Luke accepted a lower salary, but it wouldn't increase Luke-utility, and driving Luke away would cost a lot of SI-utility, so calling for it is in the end a cheap shot and a bad recommendation.

I live in London, which is also freaking expensive - but so are all the places I want to live. There's a reason people are prepared to pay more to live in these places.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 15 May 2012 04:28:36AM 4 points [-]

So why not relocate SIAI somewhere with a more reasonable cost of living?

Comment author: katydee 15 May 2012 04:50:47AM 3 points [-]

I think the standard answer is that the networking and tech industry connections available in the Bay Area are useful enough to SIAI to justify the high costs of operating there.

Comment author: TraderJoe 17 May 2012 03:20:35PM *  0 points [-]

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Comment author: thomblake 14 May 2012 07:12:50PM 2 points [-]

Hmm... Perhaps you don't know that "salary cut" above means taking much less money?

Comment author: [deleted] 15 May 2012 12:00:54PM 1 point [-]

I had missed the word cut. Damn it, I shouldn't be commenting while sleep-deprived!

Comment author: ciphergoth 15 May 2012 06:22:10AM 0 points [-]

Indeed. I guess "taking a cut" can sometimes mean "taking some of the money", so you could interpret this as meaning "I couldn't accept all that money", which as you say is the opposite of what I meant!

Comment author: katydee 14 May 2012 07:10:01PM 1 point [-]

Perhaps that's why he's saying he wouldn't be willing to live there on a low salary?