ciphergoth comments on Problematic Problems for TDT - Less Wrong

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Comment author: ciphergoth 23 May 2012 12:56:25PM 13 points [-]

Err, this would also predict no academic interest in Newcomb's Problem, and that isn't so.

Comment author: taw 23 May 2012 05:16:53PM 0 points [-]

Not counting philosophers, where's this academic interest in Newcomb's paradox?

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 23 May 2012 08:06:14PM 4 points [-]

Newcomb himself was not a philosopher.

I think Newcomb introduced it as a simplification of the prisoner's dilemma. The game theory party line is that you should 2-box and defect. But the same logic says that you should defect in iterated PD, if the number of rounds is known. This third problem is popular in academia, outside of philosophy. It is not so popular in game theory, but the game theorists admit that it is problematic.

Comment author: APMason 23 May 2012 05:19:14PM 6 points [-]

Why are we not counting philosophers? Isn't that like saying, "Not counting physicists, where's this supposed interest in gravity?"

Comment author: Wei_Dai 23 May 2012 07:44:24PM 8 points [-]

I think taw's point was that Newcomb's Problem has no practical applications, and would answer your question by saying that engineers are very interested in gravity. My answer to taw would be that Newcomb's Problem is just an abstraction of Prisoner's Dilemma, which is studied by economists, behavior biologists, evolutionary psychologists, and AI researchers.

Comment author: [deleted] 28 May 2012 04:09:28PM 3 points [-]

"Not counting physicists, where's this supposed interest in gravity?"

Engineering.

Comment author: taw 23 May 2012 07:47:52PM -2 points [-]

Philosophy contains some useful parts, but it also contains massive amounts of bullshit. Starting let's say here.

Decision theory is studied very seriously by mathematicians and others, and they don't care at all for Newcomb's Paradox.