pnrjulius comments on Rationality Quotes June 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: pnrjulius 11 June 2012 01:30:26AM 3 points [-]

I'm sure that's right.

And my point wasn't to claim that there is no variation in moral values between societies; that's obviously untrue.

My main objection was to the word arbitrary; no, they're not arbitrary, they have causes in our culture and evolutionary history and some of these causes even rise to the level of justifications.

Comment author: TimS 11 June 2012 01:56:52AM *  0 points [-]

Who says that a society's moral values don't have causes? The issue is whether those causes are historically contingent (colloquailly, whether history could have happened in a way that different moral positions were adopted in a particular time and place).

Alternatively, can I suggest you taboo the word justification? The way I understand the term, saying moral positions are justified is contradicted by the proliferation of contradictory moral positions throughout time. (But I'm out of the mainstream in this community because I'm a moral anti-realist)

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 11 June 2012 02:28:05AM 2 points [-]

The way I understand the term, saying moral positions are justified is contradicted by the proliferation of contradictory moral positions throughout time.

Would you apply the same logic to physical propositions? Would you claim that, for example, saying that astronomical positions are justified is contradicted by the proliferation of contradictory astronomical positions throughout time?

Comment author: TimS 11 June 2012 02:34:56AM 0 points [-]