wedrifid comments on The Power of Reinforcement - Less Wrong

96 Post author: lukeprog 21 June 2012 01:42PM

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Comment author: wedrifid 21 June 2012 03:35:46PM *  7 points [-]

Your unsubstantiated assertion is rejected. There is nothing that fits that label here. There are things that people like to say that everyone else is in a happy death spiral about but they are too powerfully skeptical to be one of the gullible crowd. This is useless cheap signalling that is a net detriment.

-3 M&Ms for all instances of vague self-reinforcing negativity.

Comment author: CharlieSheen 21 June 2012 03:40:38PM *  4 points [-]

Very well I'll be explicit, I simply wanted to avoid a flame war. Most obvious example:

  • Relationship advice.

Now give me my M&Ms back.

Comment author: wedrifid 21 June 2012 03:54:04PM 2 points [-]

Very well I'll be explicit, I simply wanted to avoid a flame war. Most obvious example:

Relationship advice.

That isn't a Happy Death Spiral. It is a disgraceful mindkiller, sure. But it isn't remotely happy, isn't encouraged by universal reward and absence of criticism. It certainly isn't treated with or caused by the kind of positive feedback Luke's post advocates.

Now give me my M&Ms back.

You can have one back - but being fundamentally confused about what it is you are trying to criticize is only a weak mitigating factor.

Comment author: CharlieSheen 21 June 2012 03:59:08PM *  1 point [-]

That isn't a Happy Death Spiral. It is a disgraceful mindkiller, sure. But it isn't remotely happy, isn't encouraged by universal reward and absence of criticism. It certainly isn't treated with or caused by the kind of positive feedback Luke's post advocates.

Do you remember the online dating profile optimization thread? LessWrong went in Vladimir_M's words "healing crystal equivalent". That thread was a happy death spiral.

Also if you recall the critics in the relationship threads are getting tired and frustrated and just aren't showing up any more, someone even wrote out a full comment to that effect! Evaporative cooling dude. Sure we haven't had a relationship thread since Luke's part I., but its only a matter of time before someone brings it up and the critics won't be there any more.

I only bother because I'm a Charlie Sheen.

Comment author: JoshuaZ 11 July 2012 04:26:23AM 0 points [-]

Do you remember the online dating profile optimization thread? LessWrong went in Vladimir_M's words "healing crystal equivalent". That thread was a happy death spiral.

Can you expand on why you thought it amounted to a happy death spiral? I didn't get that impression. (I am very likely a biased source in this regard because I started using OkCupid essentially because one of the LW threads on it suggested that it was worth trying, and it has worked quite well for me, so I may be missing something obvious.)

Comment author: [deleted] 21 June 2012 03:53:32PM 1 point [-]

Does he have to vomit the M&M's back up?

I really hope that's not the procedure.

Comment author: Vaniver 21 June 2012 04:02:41PM 5 points [-]

Incidentally, chewing M&Ms and then spitting them out is a moderately effective way to wean yourself off of chocolate cravings.

Comment author: [deleted] 21 June 2012 06:23:43PM 2 points [-]

Any suggestions for sugar specifically? I like chocolate and can get it in low-sweet, high-theobromine form, but shaking off sugar cravings would do me a world of good.

Comment author: Vaniver 21 June 2012 06:29:48PM 4 points [-]

From my incomplete understanding of taste psychology, sugar is one of the instinctual taste preferences, whereas things like chocolate are learned taste preferences that are possible to unlearn. I've found that sugar/salt/fat cravings have been useful signals about the quality of my diet, and so would recommend taking a hard look at your diet before trying to alter those signals. (They could be mistuned, but I don't have any advice on how to correctly tune them.)