Lukas_Gloor comments on A (small) critique of total utilitarianism - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Vladimir_M 27 June 2012 02:59:03PM 4 points [-]

You make it sound as if there is some signal or register in the brain whose value represents "pleasure" in a straightforward way. To me it seems much more plausible that "pleasure" reduces to a multitude of variables that can't be aggregated into a single-number index except through some arbitrary convention. This seems to me likely even within a single human mind, let alone when different minds (especially of different species) are compared.

That said, I do agree that the foundation of pure hedonic utilitarianism is not as obviously flawed as that of preference utilitarianism. The main problem I see with it is that it implies wireheading as the optimal outcome.

Comment author: Lukas_Gloor 27 June 2012 05:50:35PM 1 point [-]

The main problem I see with it is that it implies wireheading as the optimal outcome.

Or the utilitronium shockwave, rather. Which doesn't even require minds to wirehead anymore, but simply converts matter into maximally efficient bliss simulations. I used to find this highly counterintuitive, but after thinking about all the absurd implications of valuing preferences instead of actual states of the world, I've come to think of it as a perfectly reasonable thing.