cousin_it comments on A (small) critique of total utilitarianism - Less Wrong

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Comment author: cousin_it 18 July 2012 10:39:11AM *  1 point [-]

I'm confused. Your comment paints a picture of a super-efficient police force that infiltrates criminal groups long before they act. But the Internet seems to say that many gangs in the US operate openly for years, control whole neighborhoods, and have their own Wikipedia pages...

Comment author: ciphergoth 18 July 2012 12:55:30PM 4 points [-]

The gangs do well, and the rare criminals who become successful gang leaders may sometimes do well, but does the average gangster do well?

Comment author: CarlShulman 18 July 2012 04:54:52PM 3 points [-]
  • Gang membership still doesn't pay relative to regular jobs
  • The police largely know who is in the gangs, and can crack down if this becomes a higher priority
  • Terrorism is such a priority, to a degree way out of line with the average historical damage, because of 9/11; many have critiqued the diversion of law enforcement resources to terrorism
  • Such levels of gang control are concentrated in poor areas with less police funding, and areas where the police are estranged from the populace, limiting police activity.
  • Gang violence is heavily directed at other criminal gangs, reducing the enthusiasm of law enforcement, relative to more photogenic victims