steven0461 comments on Theism, Wednesday, and Not Being Adopted - Less Wrong

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Comment author: steven0461 27 April 2009 06:28:45PM *  4 points [-]

OK, I can see how that was unclear, but I stand by the statement. Figuring out what one's true goals are is itself a problem that one can apply rationality to. Many people think applying rationality doesn't help achieve their goals well enough to be worth the costs. But they're wrong: rationality helps achieve their true goals well enough to be worth the costs. If they applied rationality enough, they'd find out that their true goals aren't what they thought they were, and conclude that applying rationality was indeed worth it.

An irrational person cannot reliably assess the cost of being irrational. A rational person can. People who have chosen rationality almost always agree choosing rationality was worth it.

Red and blue box, one of them contains a diamond. Wednesday asks, "how would this "rationality" thing help me get to the red box, which contains the diamond?" But the diamond is in the blue box.

Comment author: MrHen 27 April 2009 07:02:37PM 2 points [-]

Yeah, that makes more sense. I think there is a danger in telling someone they do not know what they really want or what their true goals are, but I understand your point and agree.

Comment author: Nick_Tarleton 27 April 2009 07:09:20PM *  2 points [-]

I don't think the danger is in saying that another doesn't know their true goals so much as in thinking that you do know them.

Comment author: conchis 27 April 2009 08:39:34PM *  3 points [-]

An irrational person cannot reliably assess the cost of being irrational. A rational person can.

Yes, a fully rational person is better able to assess the relative costs of being irrational vs. rational. But this knowledge won't help them much if it turns out that the costs of being irrational were lower after all.