TheOtherDave comments on Reply to Holden on The Singularity Institute - Less Wrong

46 Post author: lukeprog 10 July 2012 11:20PM

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Comment author: TheOtherDave 12 July 2012 12:26:04AM 1 point [-]

I agree with you on all of those points.

Further, it seems to me that Holden is implicitly comparing SI to other charitable-giving opportunities when he provides GW's evaluation of SI, rather than comparing SI to other x-risk-reduction opportunities.
I tentatively infer, from the fact that you consider responding to such a comparison something you should leave to others but you're participating in a discussion of how SI ought to respond to Holden, that you don't agree that Holden is engaging in such a comparison.

If you're right, then I don't know what Holden is doing, and I probably don't have a clue how Luke ought to reply to Holden.

Comment author: lukeprog 12 July 2012 05:19:33AM 7 points [-]

Holden is comparing SI to other giving opportunities, not just to giving opportunities that may reduce x-risk. That's not a part of the discussion Eliezer feels he should contribute to, though. I tried to address it in the first two sections of my post above, and then in part 3 I talked about why both FHI and SI contribute unique and important value to the x-risk reduction front.

In other words: I tried to explain that for many people, x-risk is Super Duper Important, and so for those people, what matters is which charities among those reducing x-risk they should support. And then I went on to talk about SI's value for x-risk reduction in particular.

Much of the debate over x-risk as a giving opportunity in general has to do with Holden's earlier posts about expected value estimates, and SI's post on that subject (written by Steven Kaas) is still under development.