MrHen comments on Wednesday depends on us. - Less Wrong

1 Post author: byrnema 29 April 2009 03:47AM

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Comment author: MrHen 29 April 2009 05:57:14PM 0 points [-]

By the way, I like how you split the responses up. I think it helps solve any confusions.

(a) I am saying this and we agree, so cool.

(b) I agree that people do use this. I also understand the reason they do so (having used it myself at one point in my life).

(c) Specifically, this part of your post is what I disagree with:

When you say you don’t believe in God, she thinks you’re saying, ‘it’s OK to torture babies’. What’s scary is that she’s somewhat justified here: without an externally applied ethical belief system, individual ethics can vary widely from what she accepts as ethical (and what you accept as ethical).

I am saying she is not justified there. Switching the example to something less extreme does not make it more justified.

Perhaps I am focusing on what was intended to be a minor point. I do not mean to make a mountain out of a molehill.

Comment author: byrnema 29 April 2009 07:05:44PM *  1 point [-]

I see: I believe you are saying that Wednesday is not justified in being afraid that if God doesn't exist she will do something that is wrong because she should make the following deduction:

Either morality (i) depends on God or (ii) it doesn't.

(i) If morality depends on God, and he doesn't exist, then there's no evil to worry about.

(ii) If morality doesn't depend on God, and he doesn't exist, then morality is unaffected.

Comment author: MrHen 29 April 2009 07:41:27PM *  0 points [-]

Technically, I meant that when I say "God does not exist" it does not imply anything about morality. Whether Wednesday associates God with morality is irrelevant and the reason for this irrelevance is your (i) and (ii) tree explanation.