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Comment author: AnnaSalamon 03 May 2009 01:39:02AM *  9 points [-]

Or, more particularly: "Actions taken after carefully asking what the evidence implies about the most effective means of making X less likely, and then following out the means with best expected value, make event X less likely".

mattnewport's counterexamples are good, but they are examples of what happens when "intent to reduce X" is filtered through a political system that incentivizes the appearance that something will be done, that penalizes public acknowledgement of unpleasant truths, and that does not understand science. There is reason to suppose we can do better -- at least, there's reason to assign a high enough probability to "we may be able to do better" for it to be clearly worth the costs of investigating particular issue X's.

Comment author: mattnewport 03 May 2009 01:50:32AM 0 points [-]

There is reason to hope we can do better but a sobering lack of evidence that such hope is realistic. That's not a reason not to try but it seems we can agree that mere intent is far from sufficient.

Even supposing that it is possible to devise a course of action that we have good reason to believe will be effective, there is still a huge gulf to cross when it comes to putting that into action given current political realities.

Comment author: AnnaSalamon 03 May 2009 02:21:14AM *  6 points [-]

Even supposing that it is possible to devise a course of action that we have good reason to believe will be effective, there is still a huge gulf to cross when it comes to putting that into action given current political realities.

This depends partly on what sort of "course of action" is devised, and how many people are needed to put it into action. Francis Bacon's successful spread of the scientific method, Louis Pasteur's germ theory, whoever it was who convinced doctors to wash their hands between childbirths, the invention of the printing press, and the invention of modern fertilizers sufficient to keep larger parts of the world fed... provide historical precedents for the idea that small groups of good thinkers can sometimes have predictably positive impacts on the world without extensively and directly engaging global politics/elections/etc.

Comment author: AnnaSalamon 03 May 2009 01:58:06AM *  1 point [-]

There is reason to hope we can do better but a sobering lack of evidence that such hope is realistic.

[I'd edited my previous comment just before mattnewport wrote this; I'd previously left my comment at "There is reason to suppose we can do better", then had decided that that was overstating the evidence and added the "--at least...". mattnewport probably wrote this in response to the previous version; my apologies.]

As to evaluating the evidence: does anyone know where we can find data as to whether relatively well-researched charities do tend to improve poverty or other problems to which they turn their attention?

Comment author: MichaelVassar 03 May 2009 07:43:10AM 8 points [-]

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