nyan_sandwich comments on The raw-experience dogma: Dissolving the “qualia” problem - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 14 September 2012 06:45:21PM *  1 point [-]

thanks for the port.

Next up we should extend it with free will and true knowledge (causal entanglement).

And I think someone asked about not demonstrating qualia sameness in the absence of truthful reporting.

(I'm not going to waste more time on any of this, but it could be done)

Comment author: TheOtherDave 14 September 2012 07:22:20PM 0 points [-]

If you mean this... to be clear, I didn't complain about it not demonstrating "qualia sameness". I complained (implicitly) that the claim that it demonstrated all the properties that some people claim demonstrate qualia in real-world systems (like people) was demonstrably false.

(In particular, that it didn't demonstrate anything persistent across different reporting, whereas my own experience does demonstrate something persistent across different reporting.)

I agree that actually recoding it to demonstrate such persistence is a waste of time; far simpler is to not make such over-reaching claims.

Comment author: [deleted] 14 September 2012 07:26:14PM 0 points [-]

I removed "complained".

I agree that actually recoding it to demonstrate such persistence is a waste of time; far simpler is to not make such over-reaching claims.

Point taken. As I tried to explain somewhere, it was all the properties that I thought of at the moment, with the implicit assertion that the rest of the properties could be demonstrated as required.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 14 September 2012 07:27:56PM 0 points [-]

Point taken.