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Comment author: Jay_Schweikert 02 November 2012 03:06:36PM 4 points [-]

This is a random question, and I have poked around a bit on Google looking for the answer: what's the convention for pronouncing particular instances of Knuth's up-arrow notation? Like, if you had 3^^^3, how would you actually say that out loud? I always find myself stumbling through something like "three three-up-arrows three," but that seems terribly clunky. I also read somewhere that "3^^^3" would read as "three threes," which is more elegant, but doesn't seem to work when the numbers are different -- e.g., how would you say "3^^^4"? Anyway, I figured someone here would know.

Comment author: Kindly 02 November 2012 11:41:50PM 9 points [-]

Regardless of the specific numbers, or the number of up-arrows, the correct pronunciation is "kajillion".

Comment author: faul_sname 05 November 2012 09:54:29AM 1 point [-]

2^2?

Comment author: Kindly 05 November 2012 01:21:14PM 6 points [-]

Well, 2^2 is closer to 3^^^3 than almost every other positive integer, so we can round it up to 3^^^3 and then call it "kajillion".

Comment author: FiftyTwo 07 November 2012 07:13:04PM -2 points [-]

Gazzillion feels bigger to me

Comment author: badger 02 November 2012 05:03:09PM *  5 points [-]

I've heard "three up up up three", which is concise and not easily confused with other operations. If I heard "three threes", I'd interpret that as meaning 9.

Comment author: EricHerboso 03 November 2012 02:40:30AM *  3 points [-]

It's been a few years since I heard this pronounced aloud, but my old undergrad prof's pronunciation of "3^^^3" was "3 hyper5 3". The "hyper5" part refers to the fact that three up-arrows is pentation. Similarly, "x^^y" is "x hyper4 y", because two up-arrows indicate tetration.

In general, add 2 to the number of up-arrows, and that's the hyper number you'd use.

(I should mention that I've never heard it used by anyone other than him, so it might have been just his way of saying it, as opposed to the way of saying it.)

Comment author: Jay_Schweikert 04 November 2012 01:58:22AM 0 points [-]

Thanks to everyone for all the answers. I'd say this one makes the most sense to me -- pretty quick to say and easily scalable for any number -- but I guess there's just not one, well-accepted convention.

Comment author: [deleted] 02 November 2012 11:32:14PM 3 points [-]

The ^^ operation is called tetration, so I'd guess ^^^ is pentation. So 3^^^3 would be “three pentated to three”, or something like that.

Comment author: Nisan 05 November 2012 05:41:13AM 2 points [-]

I don't care what the convention is, but I say "three to the to the to the three!".

Comment author: jkaufman 25 November 2012 12:24:48AM 0 points [-]

That implies exponentiation; up-arrow notation is two steps beyond that.

Comment author: DaFranker 02 November 2012 05:08:41PM 1 point [-]

(Not serious:)

Instead of the third power of three, it's the "third triforce of three"!

Comment author: [deleted] 02 November 2012 04:45:27PM 1 point [-]

how would you say "3^^^4"?

"Three triple-caret four" is what I've heard. I'm not a math person though, so take it with a grain of salt.

Comment author: FiftyTwo 07 November 2012 07:12:12PM -1 points [-]

I would say "power of"

So "three to the power of the power of the power of three"

Comment author: jkaufman 25 November 2012 12:26:17AM 0 points [-]

Those '^'s are being used in up-arrow notation, not exponentiation.