Alicorn comments on Open Thread, November 1-15, 2012 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Alicorn 23 November 2012 12:07:25AM -1 points [-]

But the term that was suggested in the ancestor to which you objected was "transfolk". I can see - barely - the issue with "transman" and "transwoman", but I don't comprehend the implied extension to "transfolk".

Comment author: [deleted] 24 November 2012 05:20:00PM -1 points [-]

Further thought, now in relevant quote form (translate as appropriate):

"There are the occasions that men—intellectual men, clever men, engaged men—insist on playing devil’s advocate, desirous of a debate on some aspect of feminist theory or reproductive rights or some other subject generally filed under the heading: Women’s Issues. These intellectual, clever, engaged men want to endlessly probe my argument for weaknesses, want to wrestle over details, want to argue just for fun—and they wonder, these intellectual, clever, engaged men, why my voice keeps raising and why my face is flushed and why, after an hour of fighting my corner, hot tears burn the corners of my eyes. Why do you have to take this stuff so personally? ask the intellectual, clever, and engaged men, who have never considered that the content of the abstract exercise that’s so much fun for them is the stuff of my life."

Comment author: Alicorn 24 November 2012 06:07:49PM 3 points [-]

I am not arguing for fun, I don't think I'm being some kind of intellectual bully - but I object to constraining my speech for reasons I do not understand.

Comment author: MixedNuts 24 November 2012 06:11:42PM 1 point [-]

I never found that one convincing. Clever arguing for fun seems to be a personality trait much more than a function of topic. I know I've toyed with the stuff of my life until my interlocutor with no stakes blew their top.

Comment author: [deleted] 23 November 2012 02:33:00AM -1 points [-]

Not sure I have the energy at this point. Trying to explain stuff like this in a space like this feels a bit like whispering into a tornado.