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Stabilizer comments on Rationality Quotes February 2013 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Stabilizer 05 February 2013 01:20:51AM 41 points [-]

Shipping is a feature. A really important feature. Your product must have it.

-Joel Spolsky

Comment author: CronoDAS 06 February 2013 08:15:45PM *  18 points [-]

Real artists ship.

-- Steve Jobs

(The Organization Formerly Known as SIAI had this problem until relatively recently. Eliezer worked, but he never published anything.)

Comment author: cody-bryce 20 February 2013 07:44:40PM 4 points [-]

And they ship the characters the fans want.

Comment author: fubarobfusco 05 February 2013 05:27:05AM 3 points [-]

If your service is down, it has no features.

Comment author: DanArmak 05 February 2013 06:10:34PM 3 points [-]

And no bugs.

Comment author: ygert 05 February 2013 06:57:55PM *  5 points [-]

Well, there is one pretty major bug: That your service is not doing anything at all!

Comment author: shminux 05 February 2013 07:13:27PM 5 points [-]

It's a feature.

Comment author: fubarobfusco 05 February 2013 07:41:35PM 5 points [-]

It has all the bugs. All of them.

(Well, not really. For instance, it doesn't have any security holes.)

Comment author: Strange7 07 February 2013 02:23:54AM 2 points [-]

If it bears any resemblance to a product at all, your own admin-level access constitutes a potential security hole.

Comment author: army1987 05 February 2013 05:05:54PM *  1 point [-]

I would have quoted more, because on reading that out of context I was like “YOU DON'T SAY?”

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 06 February 2013 10:17:47PM 13 points [-]

Most people, when giving advice, don't optimize for maximal usefulness. They optimize for something like maximal apparent-insight or maximal signaling-wisdom or maximal mind-blowing, which are a priori all very different goals. So you shouldn't expect that incredibly useful advice sounds like incredibly insightful, wise, or mind-blowing advice in general. There's probably a lot of incredibly useful advice that no one gives because it sounds too obvious and you don't get to look cool by giving it. One such piece of advice I received recently was "plan things."

Comment author: Nornagest 06 February 2013 11:08:50PM 5 points [-]

There's probably also a lot of useful advice that our minds filter out because it scans as obvious or trivial. Even when I'm trying to give maximally effective advice, I usually spend a lot of effort optimizing it for style; the better something sounds, the more people dwell on its implications and the likelier it is to stick. Fortunately, most messages leave plenty of latitude for presentation.

Alternately, you could try dressing simple advice up in enough cultural tinsel that it looks profound, as suggested here.

Comment author: Stabilizer 06 February 2013 09:51:28PM *  5 points [-]

Well, a lot basic rationality literally seems to be about doing what is almost obvious but is hard to do because of bugs in your cognitive architecture. This reminds me of the following quote by Elon Musk in an interview where he was asked what he would say to new start-up founders:

Try to get together a group of people to do something useful. This may seem like an obvious thing, but often people will organize into a company that doesn't produce anything useful.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 07 February 2013 12:18:32PM 1 point [-]

And by the same author:

Always Be Shipping

and

Shipping Isn't Enough

(because what counts after getting it out the door is how many people actually use it.)

Comment author: pjeby 09 February 2013 03:40:10PM 2 points [-]

And by the same author:

That's Jeff Atwood. The quote is from Joel Spolsky. While the two both work together on Stack Exchange, they're different individuals.