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You're wrong dammit! Er... :P
In all seriousness though, it's absolutely software. I have really toned down my drive to correct people and have taken big chunks out of it for others as well.
It comes from trying to enforce "shoulds". People shouldn't be so "irrational"! Gah! Can't they see how costly it is!? I can't even imagine why they'd be so stuuuupid! When you're so focused on how "not-okay" it all is, you tend to knee jerk into fighting it. No time for planning - it must stop NOW!
When you put that aside and acknowledge it as something that is, then you can get into it and figure out why it is and why it grinds your gears. Okay, so they are irrational. I really wish they weren't, who wouldn't? And yet they're irrational. Why is that? Okay, so they're irrational because of X. Why X? Okay, so of course X, and so of course they're irrational. What's so infuriating now? Uh, nothing, I guess. I just have to go change X or get on with my life.
When you put the judgement aside and really dig into why it is the way it is (and associating into it), you come out of it with a new clarity of understanding, no "urges" to resist, and much more effective ways of improving peoples rationality with your new found empathy.
It's really really cool stuff.
Nyan, how about we have a conversation on Skype sometime and you can write part 2 of this afterwards ;)
Plausible. Seems like hardware to me, but introspection is a rather crappy lens...
Totally. My attitude with irrational people now is a deliberate "whatevs, not my problem". Of course things still rustle my jimmies. I just try to keep it contained.
I was describing parts of me that seem to be mostly under control, but I'd noticed they were not under control in some other aspiring rationalists I know.
The skype sounds wonderful, but I dunno about part 2. This one was just something I want to get off my plate as fast as possible. There's way better stuff in the works than memetic tribalism part 2.
I'll PM you if you haven't already.
I'm curious, what exactly are you picking up on that makes it feel like hardware? How would it feel if it were software?
I'm guessing it's the fact that feeling the urge feels like it's outside your locus of control so that it feels like something "your brain" is doing and not something "you" are doing, and that you can't see any underlying reasoning. Is that close?
Aww, bummer. I was hoping I could work my magic on you and have you post on LW about how it's totally software and that this is how to change your thinking. That way I wouldn't have to write it myself and it'd be more easily believable :p
How do you guys define hardware vs software as applied to brain functions?
Not in any rigorous or clean way. I basically just mean that it's "software like" in that it is changeable with interventions like "talking" rather than only interventions like "ice pick".