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Comment author: Arandur 13 August 2011 06:50:56AM *  2 points [-]

I thank you for your caution, but my argument was actually non-Biblical in nature, and it was a proof by contradiction. Ran something like this:

So, you think that I should give away everything to those who ask for it, without exception?
Every resource I consume is a resource that is then unavailable for others who ask for it.
Therefore, in order to give away every resource I might have otherwise consumed, I must not consume any resources, and therefore dies.
Your moral system prohibits suicide.
Therefore, your original proposition is inconsistent with your professed morality, QED.
Also therefore, get out of my house before I call the cops.

I apologize for the ambiguity; I did not mean to explicitly ascribe any moral valuation to committing suicide, though I should hope it could be inferred that I do not, in fact, advocate suicide. :P

As for "the homeless giving it back", why, to even ask would be selfish!

Comment author: lessdazed 13 August 2011 04:25:13PM 0 points [-]

There is a difference between not consuming anything and giving away anything if asked.

said that my and my wife's decision to fail to renew their lease was "selfish", because, apparently, in our religion we are supposed to give everything we have to anyone who asks of it.

So apparently in his religion one is supposed to give away everything if asked, but nothing is implied if one is not asked.

Comment author: Arandur 13 August 2011 07:27:34PM 1 point [-]

That is a good point, but the error comes in my statement of he problem, not in the argument. Otherwise, why would we ever give to charity, unless explicitly asked to? What would constitute "asking", anyway? Could we pass by a homeless man on the street and, as long as he didn't actually say anything to us, safely ignore his sign?

Comment author: lessdazed 13 August 2011 07:50:50PM *  2 points [-]

Otherwise, why would we ever give to charity, unless explicitly asked to?

I don't understand. Mostly, because your argument is along the lines of: A, because if not A, then why B? And B," and I can think of many other reasons for B, not merely just A or just one besides A. How is this not an argument from incredulity? You're accusing the roommate of unflinching hypocrisy, but I don't see it.

Comment author: Arandur 13 August 2011 08:13:27PM 2 points [-]

Then perhaps I was incorrect in my accusation. I apologize that I'm not able to present my side more clearly; this happened a while ago, and the data is muddled.