Qiaochu_Yuan comments on Open Thread, March 1-15, 2013 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 08 March 2013 02:05:49AM 1 point [-]

Recent experiences have suggested to me that there is a positive correlation between rationality and prosopagnosia. One hypothesis is that dealing with prosopagnosia requires using Bayes to recognize people, so it naturally provides a training ground for Bayesian reasoning. But I'm curious about other possible hypotheses as well as additional anecdotal evidence for or against this conclusion.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 13 March 2013 05:51:47PM 1 point [-]

What were the recent experiences?

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 13 March 2013 05:52:39PM *  1 point [-]

I learned that a surprising number of people involved with CFAR / MIRI have prosopagnosia. (Well, either that or I'm miscalibrated about the prevalence of prosopagnosia.)

Comment author: beoShaffer 13 March 2013 06:18:32PM 3 points [-]

How prevalent do you think it is?

Comment author: Qiaochu_Yuan 13 March 2013 06:27:49PM *  4 points [-]

I know 4 (I think?) people with prosopagnosia and maybe 800 people total, so my first guess is 0.5%. Wikipedia says 2.5% and the internet says it's difficult to determine the true prevalence because many people don't realize they have it (generalizing from one example, I assume). The observed prevalence in CFAR / MIRI is something like 25%?

So another plausible hypothesis is that rationalists are unusually good at diagnosing their own prosopagnosia and the actual base rate is higher than one would expect based on self-reports.

Comment author: beoShaffer 13 March 2013 07:40:11PM 0 points [-]

That is a big difference.

Comment author: erratio 08 March 2013 03:10:02AM 1 point [-]

Theory off the top of my head: The causation is in the wrong direction. People who are rational are far more likely to be very systems-oriented, have limited social experiences as children (by having different interests and/or being too dang smart), be highly introverted, and other factors that correlate with being around other people a lot less than your typical person. There's nothing wrong with our hardware per se, it's just that we missed out on critical training data during the learning period,

Anecdotal: I have mild prosopagnosia. I have a lot of trouble recognising people outside their expected context, I make heavy use of non-facial cues. I'm pretty good at putting specific names to specific faces on demand when it feels important enough, although see prev point about expected context. I don't feel like I use anything resembling Bayesian reasoning, I feel like I have the same sense of recognition that I imagine most people have, it's just less dependent on seeing their face and more on other traits (most typically voice and manner of movement).