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Comment author: Eugine_Nier 16 May 2013 01:57:33AM 1 point [-]

If you expect there to be strong evidence for something, that means you should already strongly believe it. Whether or not you will find such evidence or what it is, is not the interesting question. The interesting question is why do you have that strong belief now? What strong evidence do you already posses that leads you to believe this thing?

The problem here is that there is confusion between two senses of the word 'evidence':

a) any Bayesian evidence

b) evidence that can be easily communicated across an internet forum.

Comment author: Kawoomba 18 May 2013 09:05:23PM *  0 points [-]

Easily communicated in a "ceteris paribus, having communicated my evidence across teh internets, if you had the same priors I do, just by you reading my description of the evidence you'd update similarly as I did when perceiving the evidence first hand", yea that would be a tall order.

However, all evidence can at least be broadly categorized / circumscribed.

Consider: "I have strong evidence for my opinion which I do not present, since I cannot easily communicate it over a forum anyways" would be a copout, in that same sentence (119 characters) one could have said "My strong evidence partly consists of a perception of divine influence, when I felt the truth rather than deduced it." (117 letters) - or whatever else may be the case. That would have informed the readers greatly, and appropriately steered the rest of the conversation.

If someone had a P=NP proof / a "sophisticated" (tm) qualia theory, he probably wouldn't fully present it in a comment. However, there is a lot that could be said meaningfully (an abstract, a sketch, concepts drawn upon), which would inform the conversation and move it along constructively.

"What strong evidence do you already posses (sic) that leads you to believe this thing" is a valid question, and generally deserves at least a pointer as an answer, even when a high fidelity reproduction of the evidence qua fora isn't feasible.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 18 May 2013 09:21:32PM 3 points [-]

Easily communicated in a "ceteris paribus, having communicated my evidence across teh internets, if you had the same priors I do, just by you reading my description of the evidence you'd update similarly as I did when perceiving the evidence first hand", yea that would be a tall order.

Unfortunately, I've seen people around here through the Aumann's agreement theorem in the face of people who refuse to provide it. Come to think of it, I don't believe I've ever seen Aumann's agreement theorem used for any other purpose around here.

Comment author: [deleted] 16 May 2013 03:45:47AM 0 points [-]

Yes there are two senses. I meant "a". If ibidem has some bayesian evidence, good for him. If it's not communicable across the internet (perhaps it's divine revelation), that's no problem, because we aren't here to convert each other.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 17 May 2013 02:20:25AM *  0 points [-]

Yes there are two senses. I meant "a".

The thing is (b) is a common definition on internet forums so it might not be clear to a newcomer what you meant.

Edit: also I suspect ibidem means "b", most people don't even realize "a" is a thing.