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Comment author: Moss_Piglet 19 September 2013 04:21:02PM 1 point [-]

At the same time, all of those points except the luck one could be presented as evidence that the IQ required to be eminent has increased rather than the converse. Grant writing and schmoozing are at least partially a function of verbal IQ, IQ in general strongly predicts academic success in grad school, and competition tends to winnow out the poor performers a lot more than the strong.

Not that I really disagree, I just don't see it as particularly persuasive.

whether a given avenue of exploration pays off requires a lot of luck. Selecting people whose experiments ALWAYS work is just grabbing people who have been both good AND lucky

That's just one of the unavoidable frustrations of human nature though; an experiment which dis-confirms it's hypothesis worked perfectly, it just isn't human nature to notice negatives.

Comment author: EHeller 19 September 2013 06:20:37PM *  2 points [-]

At the same time, all of those points except the luck one could be presented as evidence that the IQ required to be eminent has increased rather than the converse.

I disagree for several reasons. Mostly, conscientiousness, conformity,etc are personality traits that aren't strongly correlated with IQ (conscientiousness may even be slightly negatively correlated).

IQ in general strongly predicts academic success in grad school, and competition tends to winnow out the poor performers a lot more than the strong.

Would it surprise you to know that the most highly regarded grad students in my physics program all left physics? They had a great deal of success before and in grad school (I went to a top 5 program) , but left because they didn't want to deal with the administrative/grant stuff, and because they didn't want to spend years at low pay.

I'd argue that successful career in science is selecting for some threshhold IQ and then much more strongly for a personality type.

Comment author: Kawoomba 19 September 2013 06:22:31PM 0 points [-]

conscientiousness may even be slightly negatively correlated

No kidding.