Trevor_Blake comments on Explicit and tacit rationality - Less Wrong

40 Post author: lukeprog 09 April 2013 11:33PM

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Comment author: [deleted] 10 April 2013 03:47:49AM 3 points [-]

In short, she had to be fairly rational, at least in some domains of her life.

Not a comment about Oprah. Repeat, not a comment about Oprah. Once more: not a comment about Oprah.

But a comment about the idea that rationality leads to success. Deception and violence also lead to success. These problem solvers are systemized winning: IF (application of fraud) THEN (goal met) ELSE (blame others). "Violence isn’t the only answer, but it is the final answer." - Jack Donovan. Violence and deception are social skills. When talking rationality comes apart, these two are means for winning rationality.

"When you are not practicing, remember, someone somewhere is practicing, and when you meet him he will win." - Ed Macauley. Practice the means to not be taken in by deception or undone by violence. Of course neither I nor anyone anywhere would advocate deceiving others or being violent, ever, under any circumstances, no matter how rational and life-saving and winning.

Comment author: khafra 10 April 2013 11:55:15AM 3 points [-]

Deception and violence also lead to success. These problem solvers are systemized winning.

Martial-Art-Of-Rationality-Wise, this reminds me of people in epistemically vicious arts who say that western boxers couldn't beat them "on the street," because they could just gouge their eyes, bite them, and kick them in the cojones. It turns out that, if a strategy is available to everyone, it gets exploited until it's no longer an overwhelming advantage.

Whether that's because everyone's increased their use of violence and deception, or because they've coordinated to lower the marginal effectiveness of an additional unit of violence, is immaterial. Either way, violence and deception aren't a $20 bill lying on the ground, waiting for someone to pick it up. That wouldn't be a nash equilibrium.