sixes_and_sevens comments on Optimizing for attractiveness - Less Wrong

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Comment author: sixes_and_sevens 31 May 2013 10:41:01AM 7 points [-]

I would invest some time in figuring out which activities will give you large attractiveness gains and which will give marginal ones, then put your efforts into the former.

You probably don't want to hear this, but if you're heavily overweight, losing it will be a pretty huge gain, not just in terms of being attractive to women, but in terms of how seriously everyone will take you. I've been both 140kg and 90kg. There is massive prejudice against overweight people, and life is so much easier when you don't have to fight against it.

Other people will probably offer you plenty of detailed and conflicting advice on how to lose weight. Mine would be to walk a lot, and to be aware of the calorie content of your food. You can go a long way on that alone. Regardless of how you do it, working on your weight should absolutely be your priority.

In terms of fostering other "attractive" traits, I will first offer a word of warning: don't do anything solely because you believe it will make you more attractive to women. You will tire of it or become resentful. That doesn't mean you can't pick things you independently want to do, which also happen to be considered quite attractive, or which are oversubscribed by women.

Here are a few suggestions of hobbies or activities which you might want to consider:

  • Learning a musical instrument
  • Dancing (also good exercise)
  • Arts and crafts (life drawing, pottery, etc.)
  • Arts appreciation (poetry, literature, theatre, etc.)
  • Amateur dramatics / theatre

If any of these appeal to you, go ahead and try them, solely for the sake of doing them and enjoying it. Becoming more attractive is a nice side-effect.

My final piece of advice is to just talk to women without any romantic motive on your part. You could be a gorgeous renaissance man ripped to within an inch of his life, but if you can't carry out a normal human conversation, you're in serious trouble. Bonus tip: if you're not comfortable with flirting, practise this on older women, (as in age-inappropriate older women, I guess in their 50s and 60s in your case). It's a perfect training scenario, as you're engaging with experienced participants in a situation with limited consequences.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 31 May 2013 01:47:38PM 2 points [-]

Being able to interact well with women is really important.

Body quality and economics have diminishing returns once you get into decent shape on them - not really unattractive and on track to be capable of doing most of supporting a family, say. This is not to say that you can't or shouldn't do better, but you don't need to rank high to do well.

If there's a limit on personality, it's too high to be concerned with.

How you smell is also really important, but I'm not sure how much I can say about that.

Comment author: ChristianKl 31 May 2013 01:46:41PM 0 points [-]

Arts and crafts (life drawing, pottery, etc.)

Why do you consider that to be a worthwhile tip?

Comment author: sixes_and_sevens 31 May 2013 02:45:40PM 10 points [-]

1) As hobbies, arts and crafts are oversubscribed by women. If you take a pottery class, for example, you will meet a lot of women in a non-competitive environment, and have at least one major thing to talk to them about.

2) Being able to create beautiful things is a personally desirable skill.

3) If you're a technical/maths type, having something "artsy" under your belt makes you seem like a more well-rounded person.

4) You have the ability to produce personalised tokens of affection.

Anecdotally, since I took up life drawing, I have been staggered by the number of women who've professed an interest in modelling for me. In some cases this is flirting and in others it's genuine platonic interest in being drawn; distinguishing the two is a minor hazard, but both are pretty welcome.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 31 May 2013 10:36:35PM 4 points [-]

2+3 = 5) Creating things gives a feeling of accomplishment, which increases your confidence, which is in turn attractive.