Raemon comments on Effective Altruism Through Advertising Vegetarianism? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Raemon 13 June 2013 06:34:06PM *  5 points [-]

(as far as I'm aware, farmed animals do not attempt to commit suicide at every available opportunity)

I object to this as the general metric for "should a life be brought into existence?" (I'm something approximating an average utilitarian. To the extent that I'm a total utilitarian, I think Eliezer's post about Lives Worth Celebrating is relevant)

Also, less controversial, I'd like to note that factory-farmed animals really don't have much opportunity to end their own lives even if they wanted to.

Comment author: Desrtopa 13 June 2013 06:49:41PM 10 points [-]

For that matter, even if they did have the opportunity, livestock species may not have the abstract reasoning abilities to recognize that suicide is even a possible thing.

Pigs might have the intelligence for that, but for cows and chickens, I doubt it. It's not like suicide is an evolutionarily favorable adaptation, it's a product of abstract reasoning about death that most animals are not likely to be be capable of.