drethelin comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 20, chapter 90 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: drethelin 02 July 2013 05:11:24PM 23 points [-]

you're uh, assigning just a tad too much power to the average biochemist.

Comment author: asr 02 July 2013 05:16:10PM 16 points [-]

Professor Evans-Veres is at Oxford, so he's probably a well-above-average biochemist.

Bear in mind that the question isn't "can top biochemistry professors help stop/undo death" -- it's "can a high-end biochemist be of help, if you can do magic and rearrange matter at the molecular level." And that seems relatively plausible.

Comment author: William_Quixote 02 July 2013 07:09:43PM *  19 points [-]

you're uh, assigning just a tad too much power to the well above average biochemist.

More seriously, I think Harry's path here is much more magic than bio focused. He's seen memories removed and copied. If he can figure out how to remove ALL the memories from a body, and if he knows the obliviate charm, and if dead cells work for poly juice (which they should since hair is dead) then he has a decent path using only minor variants to known magic.

Comment author: maia 02 July 2013 09:14:38PM 3 points [-]

But the way memories are stored in Pensieves, all they provide is a firstperson video feed of things that have happened. That's not enough information to make up a whole person.

Comment author: William_Quixote 03 July 2013 02:02:10AM 4 points [-]

Is it first person video, or first person full sense feed (including sound smell, feel of the chair etc.)? Because if its a first person full sense feed, plugging that into human brains is how we get people right now.

If you push the same feed into a brain, you might get the same person at the end. I'll note that the Mr. Bester storyline makes a point of showing how reproducible thoughts are given the same conditions.

Comment author: atorm 03 July 2013 03:30:19PM 1 point [-]

Hair isn't even cellular. Given that it can be cut off and used, follicles are not required.

Comment author: firstorderpredicate 02 July 2013 08:33:37PM 0 points [-]

Wouldn't it be a good idea to at least ask? Professor E-V might not have ideas, but he would have contacts at Oxford where he/Harry could find other ideas. The downside is that, by involving the non magical world, his family and those contacts will become bigger targets. And I suspect Harry would be loathe to expose them with an unknown enemy with largely unknown capabilities.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 03 July 2013 12:40:54AM 2 points [-]

Getting his father (or just about anyone) up to speed enough to be able to help within the six hour window seems unlikely. The problem isn't motivation.

Comment author: ChristianKl 02 July 2013 09:29:47PM 2 points [-]

Could you propose a specific way that a high-end biochemist can help with the condition in which Hermoine happen to be?

Comment author: htns 04 July 2013 10:10:57PM 0 points [-]

At least he is someone with something resembling medical training, which is some big potential to help, since harry wasn't even clear on how to use a first aid kit.

At first I thought that Harry just sitting there was counter-productive, but then I remembered they probably wouldn't let him kidnap muggles even for a night. However his father would be brought in promptly if Harry asked that.

Also I tried to do some fact checking while typing this, but it turns out new chapters had come out (so I'll drop this and go read them instead).