MatthewB comments on One Life Against the World - Less Wrong

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Comment author: MatthewB 27 December 2009 11:32:14AM 3 points [-]

What I am going to say may be extremely unpopular,but everything you have stated about bringing a child to terms could well fall within the terminology used by Psychohistorian:

once she's pregnant, she doesn't actively have to do much but not starve.

Even given all of the discomforts and difficulties you have mentioned, they are more about the Mother than the child, and as long as the puking, cramping, cranky, hormonal mother does not starve, the child should be delivered.

I think that most of what you have mentioned are just difficulties with the attempt to make certain the mother does not starve.

But, then, at this point, it's really all just semantics / terminology that we are talking about

Comment author: wedrifid 27 December 2009 11:46:27AM -1 points [-]

What I am going to say may be extremely unpopular,but everything you have stated about bringing a child to terms could well fall within the terminology used by Psychohistorian:

It doesn't particularly bother me but you are mistaken.

Even given all of the discomforts and difficulties you have mentioned, they are more about the Mother than the child, and as long as the puking, cramping, cranky, hormonal mother does not starve, the child should be delivered.

Yes. All of which combined is harder than saving a life at the current margin.

I think that most of what you have mentioned are just difficulties with the attempt to make certain the mother does not starve.

Labour doesn't have much to do with not starving.

Comment author: Benquo 12 June 2011 03:09:04AM *  2 points [-]

Taboo "difficulty."

Creating a human life doesn't require a lot of advance planning/willpower, while saving a life does require you to think about the problem in advance and decide on an inconvenient course of action when nobody's forcing you to do so.

The costs of creating a human life in effort, financial expense, suffering, and willpower, considered as a whole, are greater than the costs of saving a life.

Comment author: tut 27 December 2009 11:59:49AM *  2 points [-]

as long as the ... mother does not starve, the child should be delivered.

Good medicine does a bit more than that. If the only thing you do is "not starve" the probability is somewhere between 1/3 and 2/3 that the child will die. Quite possibly killing the mother as well.

ETA: Not doing things can also be hard, if the consequences are unpleasant enough