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Comment author: Ab3 09 February 2012 06:53:00PM 0 points [-]

It seems we have empirical and non-empirical beliefs that can both be rational, but what we mean by “rational” has a different sense in each case. We call empirical beliefs “rational” when we have good evidence for them, we call non-empirical beliefs like the PoF “rational” when we find that they have a high utility value, meaning there is a lot we can do with the principle (it excludes maps that can’t conform to any territory).

To answer my original question, it seems a consequence of this is that the PoF doesn’t apply to itself, as it is a principle that is meant for empirical beliefs only. Because the PoF is a different kind of belief from an empirical belief, it need not be falsifiable, only more useful than our current alternatives. What do you think about that?

Comment author: TheOtherDave 09 February 2012 11:28:16PM 1 point [-]

I think it depends on what the PoF actually is.

If it can be restated as "I will on average be more effective at achieving my goals if I only adopting falsifiable beliefs," for example, then it is equivalent to an empirical belief (and is, incidentally, falsifiable).

If it can be restated as "I should only adopt falsifiable beliefs, whether doing so gets me anything I want or not" then there exists no empirical belief to which it is equivalent (and is, incidentally, worth discarding).