Oscar_Cunningham comments on Open thread, July 29-August 4, 2013 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Oscar_Cunningham 02 August 2013 11:22:48AM *  4 points [-]

It's because we want to secure as many resources as possible, before the aliens get to them.

I expect an FAI to expand rapidly, but merely securing resources and saving them for humans to use much later.

Comment author: Lumifer 02 August 2013 08:04:12PM 1 point [-]

I expect an FAI to expand rapidly, but merely securing resources and saving them for humans to use much later.

So maybe the Solar System has been secured by an alien-FAI and we're being saved for the aliens to use much later..?

Comment author: Oscar_Cunningham 02 August 2013 08:36:52PM 1 point [-]

It's totally possible, but they'd have to have a good reason for staying hidden for the reason nyan_sandwich gives.

Comment author: [deleted] 02 August 2013 08:16:15PM 1 point [-]

Most valuable of those resources is free energy. The sun is burning that into low grade light and heat at an incredible rate.

Comment author: Lumifer 02 August 2013 08:41:20PM 2 points [-]

So does that imply that a rapidly expanding resource-saving FAI would go around extinguishing stars?

Comment author: [deleted] 02 August 2013 10:10:58PM 8 points [-]

Seems prudent to do.

Unless it values the existence of stars more than it values other things it could do with that energy.

Comment author: Nisan 04 August 2013 04:03:26PM 4 points [-]

Upvoted for being the first instance I've seen of someone describing extinguishing all the stars in the night sky as being prudent.

Comment author: DanielLC 03 August 2013 03:23:38AM 1 point [-]

I suspect using them is more likely. They certainly aren't going to just let them keep wasting fuel. Not unless they have the opportunity to prevent even more waste. For example, they will send out probes to other systems before worrying too much about this system.

Comment author: Oscar_Cunningham 03 August 2013 12:16:39AM 1 point [-]

extinguishing stars

Is that even possible!? The FAI would want to somehow pause the burning of the star, allowing it to begin producing energy again when needed. For example collapsing it into a black hole wouldn't be what we want, since the energy would be wasted.

Would star lifting be enough to slow the burning of a star to a standstill?

Comment author: wadavis 02 August 2013 02:59:09PM 1 point [-]

Read up on the Dominion Lands Act and the Homestead Act for a historic human precedent.

Comment author: linkhyrule5 02 August 2013 07:32:32PM 1 point [-]

Right, but I'm not sure that's the right precedent to use. Space is big: it'd be more equivalent to, oh, dumping the Lost Roman Legion in a prehistoric Asia and expecting them to divvy up the continent as fast as they could march.

Comment author: wadavis 02 August 2013 08:19:43PM *  3 points [-]

Davy Jones: One Soul is not equal to another

Jack Sparrow: Aha! So we've established my proposal is sound in principle, now we're just haggling over price.

-- Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest

Or in this case, scope instead of price.

Jokes aside, the point being is the sponsored settlement of the prairies had an influence of the negotiations of the Canada / U.S.A. border. If an human civilization had belief that it may have future competition with aliens for territory in space it would make sense to them to secured as much as possible as a Schelling Point in negotiations / conflicts.

Comment author: linkhyrule5 03 August 2013 12:32:34AM 1 point [-]

Point granted.

... and once an FAI has sent out probes to claim territory anyway, it loses nothing by making those probes nanotech with a copy of the FAI loaded on it, so we would indeed expect to see lightspeed expansions of FAI-controlled civilizations. Fair enough, then.

Comment author: linkhyrule5 02 August 2013 07:35:35PM 0 points [-]

Hm. Point.