Locaha comments on Reality is weirdly normal - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Locaha 26 August 2013 07:02:37AM 0 points [-]

reality would probably seem a lot less existential!absurd in a happy intergalactic civilization, also permitted by physics.

Nope. If the Big Rip doesn't do you in, the Heat Death of the universe will. Enjoy billions of years contemplating your inevitable demise.

Comment author: wedrifid 26 August 2013 09:27:00AM *  11 points [-]

Enjoy billions of years contemplating your inevitable demise.

Or, enjoy several weeks of Cognitive Behavioural Therapy as you train yourself out of pointless rumination followed by billions of years enjoying utopia. The universe having a trait that is not preferred does not thereby obligate you to be overwhelmed by angst.

Comment author: Locaha 26 August 2013 11:36:54AM 0 points [-]

Or, enjoy several weeks of Cognitive Behavioural Therapy as you train yourself out of pointless rumination followed by billions of years enjoying utopia

Can I do it now and enjoy my remaining lifespan? And if so, do I really need intergalactic civilization?

Comment author: wedrifid 26 August 2013 12:03:17PM 5 points [-]

Can I do it now and enjoy my remaining lifespan?

Yes. By all means.

And if so, do I really need intergalactic civilization?

Cognitive Behavioural Therapy isn't a cure for death. Yes, the intergalactic civilisation and the accompanying technology sounds rather important.

Comment author: Locaha 26 August 2013 12:36:59PM 0 points [-]

Cognitive Behavioural Therapy isn't a cure for death. Yes, the intergalactic civilisation and the accompanying technology sounds rather important.

Intergalactic civilization isn't a cure for death, either.

Comment author: wedrifid 26 August 2013 12:44:58PM 4 points [-]

The simplistic view is that 50 years of life is, all else being equal, less desirable than 50 billion years of life. As it happens 50 billion years of life is actually better than 50 years of similar quality life. This isn't a complicated or deep issue.

Comment author: Locaha 26 August 2013 01:51:01PM 0 points [-]

The simplistic view is that 50 years of life is, all else being equal, less desirable than 50 billion years of life.

This isn't what I'm arguing against here. Of course 50 billion years is better, ceteris paribus.

50 billion years still remain absurdly small compared to eternity.

Comment author: wedrifid 26 August 2013 02:39:19PM 8 points [-]

This isn't what I'm arguing against here. Of course 50 billion years is better, ceteris paribus.

What I am arguing against are these particular comments.

If the clever rhetorical questions you ask are rhetorically wrong then they remain wrong even if you have some good point that you want to ultimately support. I know this is a peculiar cultural norm to go by but it's a valuable one.

50 billion years still remain absurdly small compared to eternity.

Quite a lot smaller, yes.

The interesting question to ask here is what chance of eternal life we would be willing to exchange for a given 1% chance of 50 billion years of life in terms of hypothetical decision making. For instance someone who valued years of life linearly would, given the chance, dedicate the cosmic commons to computronium dedicated to optimistic matrix hacking even if almost completely certain there is no escape possible. I don't value life years linearly and I'm quite sure that there are finite numbers of life years that I would prefer over chances of eternal life but I don't know quite what the equivalence function looks like.

Comment author: Kindly 26 August 2013 01:16:55PM 6 points [-]

I'd like to take a million years or two to fully study the issue before I accept that my demise is inevitable.

Comment author: lukstafi 26 August 2013 10:10:44AM 0 points [-]

I would still be curious how much I can get out of life in billions of years.

Comment author: Locaha 26 August 2013 11:03:27AM *  -1 points [-]

You are curious now. You might become less curious after the first billion years. :-)

PS. I'm not advocating deathism. Just saying that any period of time is insignificant, when compared to a much larger period of time. The billion-year happy intergalactic civilization is still absurdly tiny compared to the eternity of Boltzmann-brain-infested Darkness that follows...

PPS. Or we could just taboo the word "absurd".

Comment author: lukstafi 26 August 2013 11:06:41AM *  0 points [-]

As a function of how long the universe will exist? ETA: a short period of time might be significantly located.

Comment author: Locaha 26 August 2013 11:35:01AM 0 points [-]

As a function of how long the universe will exist?

This reminds of a website where you can check if the Earth has been destroyed.

Comment author: sanxiyn 28 August 2013 11:38:32AM 3 points [-]
Comment author: DSimon 29 August 2013 01:04:05PM 2 points [-]
Comment author: Locaha 28 August 2013 12:13:36PM 1 point [-]

Thanks. Now we need one to check the existence of the entire universe. Of course, the site will have to be hosted off-universe.