EternalStargazer comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 27, chapter 98 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: EternalStargazer 29 August 2013 11:46:33PM -1 points [-]

But if say third years can, than ones who got their wands early may be able to. And it isn't all first years either.

Plus, it's more about the mindset than the actual ability.

Comment author: somervta 30 August 2013 03:33:26AM 1 point [-]

It's stated that the reason first-years can't cast it is magical power, not skill, which is age-based, not practice-based.

Comment author: fractalman 02 September 2013 12:52:15AM 0 points [-]

And then quirrel won a bet with dumbledore when it turned out that first-years could cast the patronus.
Fake-moody's statement that he'd get no more than a bloody nose...You woudln't want to try that in the MoR verse. one of the students might be tempted to test it. and if the've been in quirrel's wargames, well...

you get the idea.

cause in MoR, it IS largely practice-based. in cannon rowling left it vague.

Comment author: somervta 02 September 2013 02:04:21AM 2 points [-]

Additionally, Quirrel states in Roles, Pt 1, that Harry has insufficient raw power for the Killing Curse.

The Defense Professor inclined his head. "I shall teach you almost any magic you wish to know, Mr. Potter. I do have some limits, but you may always ask. But what specifically do you seek? You lack the raw power for the Killing Curse and most other spells deemed forbidden -"

Comment author: somervta 02 September 2013 01:55:52AM *  2 points [-]

Nope! It's stated in MoR that, unlike other advanced spells, the patronus is considered too difficult because of things like precise movements, and the emotional/willpower aspect, not magical strength.

So the gestures were complicated and delicate. That didn't stop you from learning it when you were eleven. It meant you had to be extra careful and practice each part for a lot longer than usual, that was all.

Most Charms that could only be learned by older students were like that because they required more strength of magic than any young student could muster. But the Patronus Charm wasn't like that, it wasn't difficult because it needed too much magic, it was difficult because it took more than mere magic.

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